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Miloch
2020-10-23 16:08:40 UTC
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html

*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions

*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of Magisterial weight' and
'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'

*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks 'private
opinions'

*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have right to be a
family'

Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same-sex
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not represent the
teachings of the church.

Cardinal Raymond Burke, an American prelate of the Catholic Church, patron of
the Sovereign Military Order of Malta and former Archbishop of St. Louis,
Kentucky, accused the Pope of sowing 'error and confusion' with words that 'do
not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'.

Burke, an outspoken critic of Francis, was backed by Bishop Thomas Tobin of
Providence and Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston, who said the remarks are not an
endorsement of 'homosexual activity'.

It comes after Francis told filmmakers that same-sex couples are 'children of
God and have a right to be in a family' during a 2019 interview made public this
week.

Francis came out in support of same-sex unions while serving as the Archbishop
of Buenos Aires, but has not spoken out on the issue publicly since he became
pope.

His remarks, during a feature-length film called Francesco that was aired at the
Rome Film Festival on Wednesday, were viewed by many as a tacit endorsement of
same-sex relationships.

Responding to the remarks, Cardinal Burke wrote: 'Such declarations generate
great bewilderment and cause confusion and error among Catholic faithful,
inasmuch as they are contrary to the teaching of Sacred Scripture and Sacred
Tradition.

'They cause wonderment and error regarding the Church's teaching among people of
good will, who sincerely wish to know what the Catholic Church teaches.

'They impose upon pastors of souls the duty of conscience to make fitting and
necessary clarifications.

He added: 'The context and the occasion of such declarations make them devoid of
any magisterial weight.

'They are rightly interpreted as simple private opinions of the person who made
them.

'These declarations do not bind, in any manner, the consciences of the faithful
who are rather obliged to adhere with religious submission to what Sacred
Scripture and Sacred Tradition, and the ordinary Magisterium of the Church
teach.'

Burke goes on to say that all Catholics are commanded to 'hate the sin but love
the sinner', and that his remarks are not an endorsement of homophobia.

But, he adds: 'To speak of a homosexual union, in the same sense as the conjugal
union of the married, is... misleading, because there can be no such union.'

Bishop Tobin was one of the first to speak out in opposition to Francis, also
accusing him of contradicting church teachings.

The Pope's statement clearly contradicts what has been the long-standing
teaching of the Church about same-sex unions,' Tobin said.

'The Church cannot support the acceptance of objectively immoral relationships.'

And Cardinal O'Malley added his voice to the dissent on Thursday, saying that
Francis 'strongly and consistently teaches that marriage is between a man and
woman for a lifetime and that this is God's plan for having and raising
children.'

He added: 'The Pope's endorsement of civil unions is not an endorsement of
homosexual activity...

'The Holy Father recognizes that in civil society there can be cogent reasons to
enact laws providing for civil unions which are not the same as the institution
of marriage.

'Pope Francis has seen civil unions as a way for governments to provide
protections and health care for couples in long-term, committed relationships,
whether they be siblings or friends or partners. Such arrangements are not
always of a sexual nature.

'The Holy Father is very aware of the suffering and alienation of homosexual
individuals, gay people, who are rejected by family and society.

'He is also keenly aware of the parents and loved ones who also suffer because a
member of their family is bullied or marginalized for being different.

'The demands of sexual morality are very challenging for anyone seeking to lead
a life of faithful discipleship.

'We do not serve people well by falsely claiming that we can change the
Decalogue.

'Our task is to show people that we love them and care about them and that
together we can strive to be better people, more generous, more courageous and
more faithful to what God is calling us to do.'

Elsewhere, in the Philippines, Bishop Arturo Bastes said he has 'very serious
doubts about the moral correctness' of the Pope's stance.




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Siri Cruise
2020-10-23 16:20:26 UTC
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*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of Magisterial weight' and
'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'
So are the bishops protestants or is the pope protestant?
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Barker+P
2020-10-24 12:04:21 UTC
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*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of Magisterial weight' and
'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'
So are the bishops protestants or is the pope protestant?
Neither.
All people are "children of God."
Even fags.
Robert
2020-10-23 17:42:20 UTC
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of Magisterial weight' and
'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks 'private
opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have right to be a
family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same-sex
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not represent the
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him into office.
Post by Miloch
Cardinal Raymond Burke, an American prelate of the Catholic Church, patron of
the Sovereign Military Order of Malta and former Archbishop of St. Louis,
Kentucky, accused the Pope of sowing 'error and confusion' with words that 'do
not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'.
Burke, an outspoken critic of Francis, was backed by Bishop Thomas Tobin of
Providence and Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston, who said the remarks are not an
endorsement of 'homosexual activity'.
It comes after Francis told filmmakers that same-sex couples are 'children of
God and have a right to be in a family' during a 2019 interview made public this
week.
Here is where Patrick will chime in and call it "old news".
Post by Miloch
Francis came out in support of same-sex unions while serving as the Archbishop
of Buenos Aires, but has not spoken out on the issue publicly since he became
pope.
And here again Patrick will and can see that when I previously reported that this has been and is his current belief and that he has been consistent about it, this article bears it out.

Also the cardinals knew this as well when they voted him in so that their private sins could be exonerated.
Post by Miloch
His remarks, during a feature-length film called Francesco that was aired at the
Rome Film Festival on Wednesday, were viewed by many as a tacit endorsement of
same-sex relationships.
Responding to the remarks, Cardinal Burke wrote: 'Such declarations generate
great bewilderment and cause confusion and error among Catholic faithful,
inasmuch as they are contrary to the teaching of Sacred Scripture and Sacred
Tradition.
'They cause wonderment and error regarding the Church's teaching among people of
good will, who sincerely wish to know what the Catholic Church teaches.
'They impose upon pastors of souls the duty of conscience to make fitting and
necessary clarifications.
Or come out in support of him publicly, as some have already stated that this is their belief.
Post by Miloch
He added: 'The context and the occasion of such declarations make them devoid of
any magisterial weight.
'They are rightly interpreted as simple private opinions of the person who made
them.
'These declarations do not bind, in any manner, the consciences of the faithful
who are rather obliged to adhere with religious submission to what Sacred
Scripture and Sacred Tradition, and the ordinary Magisterium of the Church
teach.'
Burke goes on to say that all Catholics are commanded to 'hate the sin but love
the sinner', and that his remarks are not an endorsement of homophobia.
But, he adds: 'To speak of a homosexual union, in the same sense as the conjugal
union of the married, is... misleading, because there can be no such union.'
Bishop Tobin was one of the first to speak out in opposition to Francis, also
accusing him of contradicting church teachings.
The Pope's statement clearly contradicts what has been the long-standing
teaching of the Church about same-sex unions,' Tobin said.
'The Church cannot support the acceptance of objectively immoral relationships.'
And Cardinal O'Malley added his voice to the dissent on Thursday, saying that
Francis 'strongly and consistently teaches that marriage is between a man and
woman for a lifetime and that this is God's plan for having and raising
children.'
He added: 'The Pope's endorsement of civil unions is not an endorsement of
homosexual activity...
'The Holy Father recognizes that in civil society there can be cogent reasons to
enact laws providing for civil unions which are not the same as the institution
of marriage.
'Pope Francis has seen civil unions as a way for governments to provide
protections and health care for couples in long-term, committed relationships,
whether they be siblings or friends or partners. Such arrangements are not
always of a sexual nature.
'The Holy Father is very aware of the suffering and alienation of homosexual
individuals, gay people, who are rejected by family and society.
'He is also keenly aware of the parents and loved ones who also suffer because a
member of their family is bullied or marginalized for being different.
'The demands of sexual morality are very challenging for anyone seeking to lead
a life of faithful discipleship.
'We do not serve people well by falsely claiming that we can change the
Decalogue.
'Our task is to show people that we love them and care about them and that
together we can strive to be better people, more generous, more courageous and
more faithful to what God is calling us to do.'
Elsewhere, in the Philippines, Bishop Arturo Bastes said he has 'very serious
doubts about the moral correctness' of the Pope's stance.
LIKE PAT, he has been afraid to criticize the stance of the RCC in matter sexual. Know you either accept it and become one of them, or you turn to the Lord, the real leader of the Churches.
Miloch
2020-10-23 18:34:44 UTC
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Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of Magisterial weight' and
'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks 'private
opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have right to be a
family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same-sex
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not represent the
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all the
Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and similar policies
felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in God...looks like
the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist basket...heh...Argentina!...who
would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed Catholic rebels.



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Robert
2020-10-23 22:10:45 UTC
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says...
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Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of Magisterial weight' and
'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks 'private
opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have right to be a
family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same-sex
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not represent the
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all the
Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and similar policies
felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in God...looks like
the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist basket...heh...Argentina!...who
would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict authority in the matter and control.

They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will never worship God the way it is.

They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Lucifer
2020-10-24 04:15:10 UTC
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Post by Miloch
says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of Magisterial weight' and
'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks 'private
opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have right to be a
family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same-sex
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not represent the
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all the
Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and similar policies
felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in God...looks like
the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist basket...heh...Argentina!...who
would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will never worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
The only thing they will never admit is there is no God.
Their power comes from channeling God.
Barker+P
2020-10-24 12:12:41 UTC
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Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of Magisterial weight' and
'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks 'private
opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have right to be a
family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same-sex
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not represent the
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all the
Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and similar policies
felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in God...looks like
the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist basket...heh...Argentina!...who
would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will never worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
The only thing they will never admit is there is no God.
Their power comes from channeling God.
Didn't anyone tell what number the channel is on TV?
Ted
2020-10-24 13:32:02 UTC
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond to the
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teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-s
owing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
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*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same sex unions
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*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and
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'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks 'private
opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and
'have right to be a
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same-sex
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not represent the
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all the
Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and similar policies
felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in God...looks like
the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC
will never worship God the way it is.
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
The only thing they will never admit is there is no God.
Their power comes from channeling God.
Didn't anyone tell what number the channel is on TV?
Depends on who you talk to. Catholics will tell you it's EWTN.
Protestants are split, the fundies insist it's CBN while the rest
will assume it's the sex channels. And the JWs will say they're all
worldly and will be destroyed in Armageddon any day now.
Barker+P
2020-10-24 14:50:54 UTC
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond to the
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teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-s
owing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
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*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same sex unions
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Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and
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Post by Miloch
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'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling
remarks 'private
Post by Barker+P
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Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
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Post by Miloch
opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and
'have right to be a
Post by Barker+P
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Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex
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Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not
represent the
Post by Barker+P
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Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in
that all the
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and
similar policies
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him
into office.
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC
will never worship God the way it is.
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
The only thing they will never admit is there is no God.
Their power comes from channeling God.
Didn't anyone tell what number the channel is on TV?
Depends on who you talk to. Catholics will tell you it's EWTN.
Protestants are split, the fundies insist it's CBN while the rest
will assume it's the sex channels. And the JWs will say they're all
worldly and will be destroyed in Armageddon any day now.
So........ do I get a choice here?
I still wanna be around a while.
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2020-10-24 15:44:48 UTC
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says...
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond to the
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teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-
s
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owing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
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*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same sex unions
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Post by Miloch
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and
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'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the
Church'
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*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling
remarks 'private
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Post by Miloch
opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and
'have right to be a
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Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex
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Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not
represent the
Post by Barker+P
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Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in
that all the
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and
similar policies
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him
into office.
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC
will never worship God the way it is.
Post by Barker+P
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
The only thing they will never admit is there is no God.
Their power comes from channeling God.
Didn't anyone tell what number the channel is on TV?
Depends on who you talk to. Catholics will tell you it's EWTN.
Protestants are split, the fundies insist it's CBN while the rest
will assume it's the sex channels. And the JWs will say they're all
worldly and will be destroyed in Armageddon any day now.
So........ do I get a choice here?
I still wanna be around a while.
LOL. Me too.
Barker+P
2020-10-24 12:12:06 UTC
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says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of Magisterial weight' and
'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks 'private
opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have right to be a
family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same-sex
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not represent the
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all the
Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and similar policies
felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in God...looks like
the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist basket...heh...Argentina!...who
would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will never worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-24 13:10:57 UTC
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Post by Robert
Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond
to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-acc
used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks
'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have
right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that
all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these
and similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church
and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed
Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and shorten
the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will never
worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
Ted
2020-10-24 13:49:00 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
In
Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-acc
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing
same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks
'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have
right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that
all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these
and similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church
and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed
Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will never
worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
They cherry pick. If they like what the OT says then hell yeah it's
Christian. Otherwise they don't even pay attention to the NT.

Aside: note that Leviticus forbids only two men butt fucking. Dick
sucking was okay, as was any sort of lesbian sex. The reason for that
prohibition and the other Levitican rules was to preserve the tribe,
not because Moses was a homophobe. When only one kid outta four
survives until maturity, you gotta do a lotta pussy fucking to keep
the numbers up.
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-24 14:57:51 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:10:57 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
In
Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-acc
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing
same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling
remarks
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have
right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in
that
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on
these
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
and similar policies felt this is the current stance of the
church
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a
hot-bed
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will
never
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God
and
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
They cherry pick. If they like what the OT says then hell yeah it's
Christian. Otherwise they don't even pay attention to the NT.
All Christians are Cafeteria Christians.
Post by Ted
Aside: note that Leviticus forbids only two men butt fucking. Dick
sucking was okay, as was any sort of lesbian sex. The reason for that
prohibition and the other Levitican rules was to preserve the tribe,
not because Moses was a homophobe. When only one kid outta four
survives until maturity, you gotta do a lotta pussy fucking to keep
the numbers up.
When Queen Victoria was asked why the
British sodomy law only applied to men she
replied that "women don't do that sort of
thing"

Lesbians have always been "below the
radar" as it were..........
Ted
2020-10-24 15:43:40 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Ted
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:10:57 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
In
Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-acc
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the
constant
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling
remarks
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have
right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in
that
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on
these
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
and similar policies felt this is the current stance of the
church
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a
hot-bed
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will
never
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God
and
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
They cherry pick. If they like what the OT says then hell yeah it's
Christian. Otherwise they don't even pay attention to the NT.
All Christians are Cafeteria Christians.
True, good point.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Ted
Aside: note that Leviticus forbids only two men butt fucking. Dick
sucking was okay, as was any sort of lesbian sex. The reason for that
prohibition and the other Levitican rules was to preserve the tribe,
not because Moses was a homophobe. When only one kid outta four
survives until maturity, you gotta do a lotta pussy fucking to keep
the numbers up.
When Queen Victoria was asked why the
British sodomy law only applied to men she
replied that "women don't do that sort of
thing"
Lesbians have always been "below the
radar" as it were..........
Interesting.
Barker+P
2020-10-24 23:24:50 UTC
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All Christians are Cafeteria Christians.
So what does this make you?
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-25 01:44:03 UTC
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All Christians are Cafeteria Christians.
So what does this make you?
Wiser than you.
Barker+P
2020-10-25 12:22:14 UTC
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Post by Barker+P
Post by Mitchell Holman
All Christians are Cafeteria Christians.
So what does this make you?
Wiser than you.
Why? You think your kool-aid tastes better?
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-25 13:10:09 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 20:44:03 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Mitchell Holman
All Christians are Cafeteria Christians.
So what does this make you?
Wiser than you.
Why? You think your kool-aid tastes better?
Actually what your fellow Christians killed
themselves with at Jonestown was Flavor Aid.
Barker+P
2020-10-26 12:20:08 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 20:44:03 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Mitchell Holman
All Christians are Cafeteria Christians.
So what does this make you?
Wiser than you.
Why? You think your kool-aid tastes better?
Actually what your fellow Christians killed
themselves with at Jonestown was Flavor Aid.
You seem like an expert at suicide.
Tell us more.
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-26 13:05:58 UTC
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 08:10:09 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 20:44:03 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Mitchell Holman
All Christians are Cafeteria Christians.
So what does this make you?
Wiser than you.
Why? You think your kool-aid tastes better?
Actually what your fellow Christians killed
themselves with at Jonestown was Flavor Aid.
You seem like an expert at suicide.
That one is your Christian atrocity, you tell us.
Barker+P
2020-10-24 14:51:45 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond
to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-acc
used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks
'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have
right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that
all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these
and similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church
and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed
Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and shorten
the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will never
worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
cuz some "christians" are stupid?
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-24 18:12:27 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:10:57 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-
acc
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing
same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks
'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have
right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that
all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these
and similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church
and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a hot-
bed
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and shorten
the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will never
worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
cuz some "christians" are stupid?
Or just more stupid than the rest of Christians.
Barker+P
2020-10-24 23:26:10 UTC
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Post by Miloch
Post by Ted
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:10:57 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-
acc
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing
same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks
'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have
right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that
all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these
and similar policies felt this is the current stance of the
church
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a hot-
bed
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and shorten
the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will
never
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
cuz some "christians" are stupid?
Or just more stupid than the rest of Christians.
Some "chritians" can't play cards, dance, or drink coffee.
Then there are those snake handlers, etc.
Robert
2020-10-24 23:06:24 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond
to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-acc
used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing
same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks
'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have
right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that
all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these
and similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church
and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed
Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and shorten
the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will never
worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
Because those of the reformation were steeped in RCC doctrine for many years. So a lot of the problems of that church, as well as the Orthodox were carried over without going through a total reformation at the time. Luther was a RC priest, and had not shed many of the RC dogma's that he learned, while he did correct some of the Key errors of concern regarding Salvation and how it is received, he was too focused on that area to recognize all the other errors in his lifetime.

The reason for many, many, churches to also continue on in those area's of error is because they did not follow the leading of God's Spirit, and were basically walking in the flesh, using "head knowledge" not spiritual.

These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order to stifle mans communication with God.
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-25 01:43:35 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
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Post by Robert
In
Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Franci
s-acc used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling
remarks 'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and
'have right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in
that all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances
on these and similar policies felt this is the current stance
of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a
hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the
RCC will never worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
Because those of the reformation were steeped in RCC doctrine for many
years. So a lot of the problems of that church, as well as the
Orthodox were carried over without going through a total reformation
at the time. Luther was a RC priest, and had not shed many of the RC
dogma's that he learned, while he did correct some of the Key errors
of concern regarding Salvation and how it is received, he was too
focused on that area to recognize all the other errors in his
lifetime.
The reason for many, many, churches to also continue on in those
area's of error is because they did not follow the leading of God's
Spirit, and were basically walking in the flesh, using "head
knowledge" not spiritual.
These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order to stifle
mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Robert
2020-10-25 02:47:07 UTC
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Robert says...
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Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Franci
s-acc used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling
remarks 'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and
'have right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in
that all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances
on these and similar policies felt this is the current stance
of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a
hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the
RCC will never worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
Because those of the reformation were steeped in RCC doctrine for many
years. So a lot of the problems of that church, as well as the
Orthodox were carried over without going through a total reformation
at the time. Luther was a RC priest, and had not shed many of the RC
dogma's that he learned, while he did correct some of the Key errors
of concern regarding Salvation and how it is received, he was too
focused on that area to recognize all the other errors in his
lifetime.
The reason for many, many, churches to also continue on in those
area's of error is because they did not follow the leading of God's
Spirit, and were basically walking in the flesh, using "head
knowledge" not spiritual.
These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order to stifle
mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for Satan, Lucifer, The destroyer, etc,
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-25 03:33:05 UTC
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Post by Robert
In
m>, Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Fr
anci s-acc used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the
constant teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling
remarks 'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and
'have right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis
for endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks
'private opinions' that do not represent the teachings
of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC
in that all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current
stances on these and similar policies felt this is the
current stance of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for
belief in God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell
in an atheist basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have
guessed it'd be a hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain
strict authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but
the RCC will never worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God
and the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
Because those of the reformation were steeped in RCC doctrine for
many years. So a lot of the problems of that church, as well as the
Orthodox were carried over without going through a total
reformation at the time. Luther was a RC priest, and had not shed
many of the RC dogma's that he learned, while he did correct some
of the Key errors of concern regarding Salvation and how it is
received, he was too focused on that area to recognize all the
other errors in his lifetime.
The reason for many, many, churches to also continue on in those
area's of error is because they did not follow the leading of God's
Spirit, and were basically walking in the flesh, using "head
knowledge" not spiritual.
These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order to
stifle mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for Satan, Lucifer, The destroyer, etc,
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Robert
2020-10-25 05:22:44 UTC
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In
m>, Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Fr
anci s-acc used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the
constant teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling
remarks 'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and
'have right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis
for endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks
'private opinions' that do not represent the teachings
of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC
in that all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current
stances on these and similar policies felt this is the
current stance of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for
belief in God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell
in an atheist basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have
guessed it'd be a hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain
strict authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but
the RCC will never worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God
and the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
Because those of the reformation were steeped in RCC doctrine for
many years. So a lot of the problems of that church, as well as the
Orthodox were carried over without going through a total
reformation at the time. Luther was a RC priest, and had not shed
many of the RC dogma's that he learned, while he did correct some
of the Key errors of concern regarding Salvation and how it is
received, he was too focused on that area to recognize all the
other errors in his lifetime.
The reason for many, many, churches to also continue on in those
area's of error is because they did not follow the leading of God's
Spirit, and were basically walking in the flesh, using "head
knowledge" not spiritual.
These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order to
stifle mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for Satan, Lucifer, The destroyer, etc,
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we resist him, then he will flee from us. That's a promise. Greater is He that is within thee, than he that is in the world. Another promissory note.

We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any man shrinks back God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning that God has given us every gift necessary to operate according to his word and with his power.

Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating under when living on this earth. The only reason for his death was Gods plan for a sacrifice that would cover all the sins of mankind and allow them to come to God. So, that part aside. We can see the multitudes following after him for free food, healings from all manners of disease, miracles like deaf hearing, blind eyes seeing, limbs restored, etc. etc. and only in the areas that were opposed to him could he do nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well from those he had to authority to do so.

So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his capabilities by 12 of like minded spiritual men. And then those people making more disciples of Jesus, to one degree or another, and the world was changed. So now imagine that there were currently 100,000 people of like mind was Jesus, who walked with the same Faith in God as did Jesus. Then would you see strong Churches and the lives of many would be changed, as the believers were operating as one with Christ. That is the real possibility of all this.

However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and is putting it off by any means he can, so he appeals to the fleshly lusts and does his best to detract or derail us from being the people that we ought to be.

So I suppose you could say that it is mostly our fault that we enabled Satan to do as he does as it is within our power to contain him, but because of the lack of knowledge due to pastors not equipping us with the knowledge needed to do as we should that Satan is allowed to create the havoc and fear that he does currently.

Much of that will change soon, as a mighty work of God within the body of Christ is about to happen. Yes, those people will be attacked, beaten, shamed, etc. But the light of God will shine brightly from their hearts and then the Lord will return for the Church and we will all be called home to heaven, and then there will be no holding back the work of Satan, and the antichrist will be revealed. At the end of that time. 7 years, Jesus will come back to earth to set up a kingdom on Earth. He will bind Satan and toss him into a bottomless pit for 1,000 years And here is where you might see the answer to your question....

For 1,000 years wherein people can live for the full 1,000 years, were peace world wide will be maintained for that 1,000 years, where men and animals live in peace, all vegetarians. We will all speak one language, and the total land promised to Abram will look like the Garden of Eden, then it is that Satan is let out of the pit and returned to earth. At that time Satan will go to and fro throughout the world gathering up people to join with him against Jesus Christ and evidently there is a bunch. And after he has gathered them up as an army against the Lord Jesus, and attacks him. Then it is that Jesus will destroy them all. Then it is the end, the final judgment of all men both the living and the dead and then the final end of this earth and solar system.

To me this brings up some questions as I cannot envision men living with Christ having the best of all things in this earth. Is pride so demanding of our attention that many cannot worship God? Or the Lust of the Flesh which was immediately apparent to Adam and Eve after they ate of the Forbidden fruit so prevalent and demanding of us that we do not want God interfering in our lives so that we can do as we please in satisfying it? I know that it was what brought down the Jew time and time again throughout historic OT times. All the pagans were focused on it, as were the people before the Flood. Even Christians at this time have a rough time regarding porn and sexual activities out side of marriage, and it has been the Bain of many Pastors, evangelists, etc. and there is not a person on the internet that does not have access to it. This last part is just some ideas that I have that's been floating around in my mind as it would make sense that Satan is used to out people and their
secret thoughts in their hearts that all along God knows their thoughts and intents of their heart, but you and I do not necessarily know.

I hope this helps you in some way.
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-25 13:08:25 UTC
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These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order to
stifle mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for Satan, Lucifer, The destroyer, etc,
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we resist him, then
he will flee from us. That's a promise. Greater is He that is within
thee, than he that is in the world. Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any man shrinks back
God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning that God has given us every
gift necessary to operate according to his word and with his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating under when living
on this earth. The only reason for his death was Gods plan for a
sacrifice that would cover all the sins of mankind and allow them to
come to God. So, that part aside. We can see the multitudes following
after him for free food, healings from all manners of disease,
miracles like deaf hearing, blind eyes seeing, limbs restored, etc.
etc. and only in the areas that were opposed to him could he do
nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well from those he had to
authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his capabilities by 12 of
like minded spiritual men. And then those people making more disciples
of Jesus, to one degree or another, and the world was changed. So now
imagine that there were currently 100,000 people of like mind was
Jesus, who walked with the same Faith in God as did Jesus. Then would
you see strong Churches and the lives of many would be changed, as the
believers were operating as one with Christ. That is the real
possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and is putting it
off by any means he can, so he appeals to the fleshly lusts and does
his best to detract or derail us from being the people that we ought
to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.

Why?

Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Post by Robert
So I suppose you could say that it is mostly our fault that we enabled
Satan to do as he does as it is within our power to contain him, but
because of the lack of knowledge due to pastors not equipping us with
the knowledge needed to do as we should that Satan is allowed to
create the havoc and fear that he does currently.
Much of that will change soon, as a mighty work of God within the body
of Christ is about to happen.
This would be the Second Coming that has been
"about to happen" - for centuries. How many Christians
have gone to their graves still believing this would
happen in their lifetimes?

As Dylan said, "meantime life goes on all around you"
Post by Robert
Yes, those people will be attacked,
beaten, shamed, etc. But the light of God will shine brightly from
their hearts and then the Lord will return for the Church and we will
all be called home to heaven, and then there will be no holding back
the work of Satan, and the antichrist will be revealed. At the end of
that time. 7 years, Jesus will come back to earth to set up a kingdom
on Earth. He will bind Satan and toss him into a bottomless pit for
1,000 years And here is where you might see the answer to your
question....
For 1,000 years wherein people can live for the full 1,000 years, were
peace world wide will be maintained for that 1,000 years, where men
and animals live in peace, all vegetarians. We will all speak one
language, and the total land promised to Abram will look like the
Garden of Eden, then it is that Satan is let out of the pit and
returned to earth. At that time Satan will go to and fro throughout
the world gathering up people to join with him against Jesus Christ
and evidently there is a bunch. And after he has gathered them up as
an army against the Lord Jesus, and attacks him. Then it is that Jesus
will destroy them all. Then it is the end, the final judgment of all
men both the living and the dead and then the final end of this earth
and solar system.
To me this brings up some questions as I cannot envision men living
with Christ having the best of all things in this earth. Is pride so
demanding of our attention that many cannot worship God? Or the Lust
of the Flesh which was immediately apparent to Adam and Eve after they
ate of the Forbidden fruit so prevalent and demanding of us that we do
not want God interfering in our lives so that we can do as we please
in satisfying it? I know that it was what brought down the Jew time
and time again throughout historic OT times. All the pagans were
focused on it, as were the people before the Flood. Even Christians at
this time have a rough time regarding porn and sexual activities out
side of marriage, and it has been the Bain of many Pastors,
evangelists, etc. and there is not a person on the internet that does
not have access to it. This last part is just some ideas that I have
that's been floating around in my mind as it would make sense that
Satan is used to out people and their secret thoughts in their hearts
that all along God knows their thoughts and intents of their heart,
but you and I do not necessarily know.
I hope this helps you in some way.
Robert
2020-10-25 23:37:21 UTC
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These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order to
stifle mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for Satan, Lucifer, The destroyer, etc,
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we resist him, then
he will flee from us. That's a promise. Greater is He that is within
thee, than he that is in the world. Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any man shrinks back
God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning that God has given us every
gift necessary to operate according to his word and with his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating under when living
on this earth. The only reason for his death was Gods plan for a
sacrifice that would cover all the sins of mankind and allow them to
come to God. So, that part aside. We can see the multitudes following
after him for free food, healings from all manners of disease,
miracles like deaf hearing, blind eyes seeing, limbs restored, etc.
etc. and only in the areas that were opposed to him could he do
nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well from those he had to
authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his capabilities by 12 of
like minded spiritual men. And then those people making more disciples
of Jesus, to one degree or another, and the world was changed. So now
imagine that there were currently 100,000 people of like mind was
Jesus, who walked with the same Faith in God as did Jesus. Then would
you see strong Churches and the lives of many would be changed, as the
believers were operating as one with Christ. That is the real
possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and is putting it
off by any means he can, so he appeals to the fleshly lusts and does
his best to detract or derail us from being the people that we ought
to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men into error by appealing to their lusts.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.

Are you a father who is so protective of his children that you prevent them from learning, gathering strength and being tough enough to handle real world situations? Making them the proverbial weaklings in society?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
So I suppose you could say that it is mostly our fault that we enabled
Satan to do as he does as it is within our power to contain him, but
because of the lack of knowledge due to pastors not equipping us with
the knowledge needed to do as we should that Satan is allowed to
create the havoc and fear that he does currently.
Much of that will change soon, as a mighty work of God within the body
of Christ is about to happen.
This would be the Second Coming that has been
"about to happen" - for centuries. How many Christians
have gone to their graves still believing this would
happen in their lifetimes?
Many, but far better to walk prepared than to die without preparation and becoming lackadaisical and falling away into eternal hell.
Post by Mitchell Holman
As Dylan said, "meantime life goes on all around you"
"Clowns to the Left of Me Jokers to the Right of me Here I am Stuck in the Middle With You."

Not meaning you.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Yes, those people will be attacked,
beaten, shamed, etc. But the light of God will shine brightly from
their hearts and then the Lord will return for the Church and we will
all be called home to heaven, and then there will be no holding back
the work of Satan, and the antichrist will be revealed. At the end of
that time. 7 years, Jesus will come back to earth to set up a kingdom
on Earth. He will bind Satan and toss him into a bottomless pit for
1,000 years And here is where you might see the answer to your
question....
For 1,000 years wherein people can live for the full 1,000 years, were
peace world wide will be maintained for that 1,000 years, where men
and animals live in peace, all vegetarians. We will all speak one
language, and the total land promised to Abram will look like the
Garden of Eden, then it is that Satan is let out of the pit and
returned to earth. At that time Satan will go to and fro throughout
the world gathering up people to join with him against Jesus Christ
and evidently there is a bunch. And after he has gathered them up as
an army against the Lord Jesus, and attacks him. Then it is that Jesus
will destroy them all. Then it is the end, the final judgment of all
men both the living and the dead and then the final end of this earth
and solar system.
To me this brings up some questions as I cannot envision men living
with Christ having the best of all things in this earth. Is pride so
demanding of our attention that many cannot worship God? Or the Lust
of the Flesh which was immediately apparent to Adam and Eve after they
ate of the Forbidden fruit so prevalent and demanding of us that we do
not want God interfering in our lives so that we can do as we please
in satisfying it? I know that it was what brought down the Jew time
and time again throughout historic OT times. All the pagans were
focused on it, as were the people before the Flood. Even Christians at
this time have a rough time regarding porn and sexual activities out
side of marriage, and it has been the Bain of many Pastors,
evangelists, etc. and there is not a person on the internet that does
not have access to it. This last part is just some ideas that I have
that's been floating around in my mind as it would make sense that
Satan is used to out people and their secret thoughts in their hearts
that all along God knows their thoughts and intents of their heart,
but you and I do not necessarily know.
I hope this helps you in some way.
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-26 01:49:14 UTC
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These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order
to stifle mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for Satan, Lucifer, The destroyer, etc,
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we resist him,
then he will flee from us. That's a promise. Greater is He that is
within thee, than he that is in the world. Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any man shrinks
back God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning that God has given
us every gift necessary to operate according to his word and with
his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating under when
living on this earth. The only reason for his death was Gods plan
for a sacrifice that would cover all the sins of mankind and allow
them to come to God. So, that part aside. We can see the multitudes
following after him for free food, healings from all manners of
disease, miracles like deaf hearing, blind eyes seeing, limbs
restored, etc. etc. and only in the areas that were opposed to him
could he do nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well from
those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his capabilities by 12 of
like minded spiritual men. And then those people making more
disciples of Jesus, to one degree or another, and the world was
changed. So now imagine that there were currently 100,000 people of
like mind was Jesus, who walked with the same Faith in God as did
Jesus. Then would you see strong Churches and the lives of many
would be changed, as the believers were operating as one with
Christ. That is the real possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and is putting
it off by any means he can, so he appeals to the fleshly lusts and
does his best to detract or derail us from being the people that we
ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men into error
by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.

Which is it?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that you prevent
them from learning, gathering strength and being tough enough to
handle real world situations? Making them the proverbial weaklings in
society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
Michael Christ
2020-10-26 03:43:30 UTC
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These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order
to stifle mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for Satan, Lucifer, The destroyer, etc,
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we resist him,
then he will flee from us. That's a promise. Greater is He that is
within thee, than he that is in the world. Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any man shrinks
back God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning that God has given
us every gift necessary to operate according to his word and with
his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating under when
living on this earth. The only reason for his death was Gods plan
for a sacrifice that would cover all the sins of mankind and allow
them to come to God. So, that part aside. We can see the multitudes
following after him for free food, healings from all manners of
disease, miracles like deaf hearing, blind eyes seeing, limbs
restored, etc. etc. and only in the areas that were opposed to him
could he do nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well from
those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his capabilities by 12 of
like minded spiritual men. And then those people making more
disciples of Jesus, to one degree or another, and the world was
changed. So now imagine that there were currently 100,000 people of
like mind was Jesus, who walked with the same Faith in God as did
Jesus. Then would you see strong Churches and the lives of many
would be changed, as the believers were operating as one with
Christ. That is the real possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and is putting
it off by any means he can, so he appeals to the fleshly lusts and
does his best to detract or derail us from being the people that we
ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men into error
by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither.

It is like you, you to do what you are doing as a benefit to show others
how deluded and wrong you are, but you get what you deserve later.





Michael Christ
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Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that you prevent
them from learning, gathering strength and being tough enough to
handle real world situations? Making them the proverbial weaklings in
society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"Man is trying to learn righteousness by his own hand, and it is
impossible. Self-righteousness only leads to destruction".
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These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order
to stifle mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for Satan, Lucifer, The destroyer, etc,
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we resist him,
then he will flee from us. That's a promise. Greater is He that is
within thee, than he that is in the world. Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any man shrinks
back God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning that God has given
us every gift necessary to operate according to his word and with
his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating under when
living on this earth. The only reason for his death was Gods plan
for a sacrifice that would cover all the sins of mankind and allow
them to come to God. So, that part aside. We can see the multitudes
following after him for free food, healings from all manners of
disease, miracles like deaf hearing, blind eyes seeing, limbs
restored, etc. etc. and only in the areas that were opposed to him
could he do nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well from
those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his capabilities by 12 of
like minded spiritual men. And then those people making more
disciples of Jesus, to one degree or another, and the world was
changed. So now imagine that there were currently 100,000 people of
like mind was Jesus, who walked with the same Faith in God as did
Jesus. Then would you see strong Churches and the lives of many
would be changed, as the believers were operating as one with
Christ. That is the real possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and is putting
it off by any means he can, so he appeals to the fleshly lusts and
does his best to detract or derail us from being the people that we
ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men into error
by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it understandings and precepts you would come to another conclusion, even if you disagreed with God.
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that you prevent
them from learning, gathering strength and being tough enough to
handle real world situations? Making them the proverbial weaklings in
society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all who believed in him to be as he is.
Yet man choses the path that he walks. It is within the power of man to quench the Holy Spirit to his own detriment.

So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God left man in charge of this world and promptly made Satan the god of this world, and only Christ redeemed the man.

The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the walk of Jesus to its fullest extent. And they freely blame God who is not responsible for the sin that man chose and want to exonerate their responsibility by holding him responsible.

And Mitchell as I recall you had no kids by choice, and my scenario regarding a father and their children as a generic one.
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2020-10-26 13:05:09 UTC
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These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in
order to stifle mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for Satan, Lucifer, The destroyer, etc,
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we resist
him, then he will flee from us. That's a promise. Greater is He
that is within thee, than he that is in the world. Another
promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any man
shrinks back God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning that
God has given us every gift necessary to operate according to
his word and with his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating under when
living on this earth. The only reason for his death was Gods
plan for a sacrifice that would cover all the sins of mankind
and allow them to come to God. So, that part aside. We can see
the multitudes following after him for free food, healings from
all manners of disease, miracles like deaf hearing, blind eyes
seeing, limbs restored, etc. etc. and only in the areas that
were opposed to him could he do nothing. He cast out demons,
evil spirits as well from those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his capabilities by 12
of like minded spiritual men. And then those people making more
disciples of Jesus, to one degree or another, and the world was
changed. So now imagine that there were currently 100,000
people of like mind was Jesus, who walked with the same Faith
in God as did Jesus. Then would you see strong Churches and the
lives of many would be changed, as the believers were operating
as one with Christ. That is the real possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and is
putting it off by any means he can, so he appeals to the
fleshly lusts and does his best to detract or derail us from
being the people that we ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men into
error by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis to
Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it understandings and
precepts you would come to another conclusion, even if you disagreed
with God.
Tell us your "understanding" how satan
can do anything without god approving of it.

Your god IS all-powerful, no?
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that you
prevent them from learning, gathering strength and being tough
enough to handle real world situations? Making them the proverbial
weaklings in society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all who believed
in him to be as he is. Yet man choses the path that he walks. It is
within the power of man to quench the Holy Spirit to his own
detriment.
Was Jesus an excuse for all the murders
he committed?
Post by Robert
So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God left man in
charge of this world and promptly made Satan the god of this world,
and only Christ redeemed the man.
All murders god committed in the Bible
are mankind's fault?
Post by Robert
The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the walk of
Jesus to its fullest extent
So Jesus sets an example to follow so
difficult that no one has ever done it?
Isn't that a little unrealistic?
Post by Robert
. And they freely blame God who is not
responsible for the sin that man chose and want to exonerate their
responsibility by holding him responsible.
Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
Robert
2020-10-26 18:35:34 UTC
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Post by Robert
These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in
order to stifle mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for Satan, Lucifer, The destroyer, etc,
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we resist
him, then he will flee from us. That's a promise. Greater is He
that is within thee, than he that is in the world. Another
promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any man
shrinks back God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning that
God has given us every gift necessary to operate according to
his word and with his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating under when
living on this earth. The only reason for his death was Gods
plan for a sacrifice that would cover all the sins of mankind
and allow them to come to God. So, that part aside. We can see
the multitudes following after him for free food, healings from
all manners of disease, miracles like deaf hearing, blind eyes
seeing, limbs restored, etc. etc. and only in the areas that
were opposed to him could he do nothing. He cast out demons,
evil spirits as well from those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his capabilities by 12
of like minded spiritual men. And then those people making more
disciples of Jesus, to one degree or another, and the world was
changed. So now imagine that there were currently 100,000
people of like mind was Jesus, who walked with the same Faith
in God as did Jesus. Then would you see strong Churches and the
lives of many would be changed, as the believers were operating
as one with Christ. That is the real possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and is
putting it off by any means he can, so he appeals to the
fleshly lusts and does his best to detract or derail us from
being the people that we ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men into
error by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis to
Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it understandings and
precepts you would come to another conclusion, even if you disagreed
with God.
Tell us your "understanding" how satan
can do anything without god approving of it.
Your god IS all-powerful, no?
The USA could be considered all powerful, and we have plenty of attackers, people that create harm, countries that cost us a considerable amount in pain and finances. Yet we allow those countries to exist and thrive. Does that mean that we approve of them and appreciate their contempt of us?

Why is is so important to you to lay blame at the feet of God, and not Satan?
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Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that you
prevent them from learning, gathering strength and being tough
enough to handle real world situations? Making them the proverbial
weaklings in society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all who believed
in him to be as he is. Yet man choses the path that he walks. It is
within the power of man to quench the Holy Spirit to his own
detriment.
Was Jesus an excuse for all the murders
he committed?
Jesus committed no murders.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God left man in
charge of this world and promptly made Satan the god of this world,
and only Christ redeemed the man.
All murders god committed in the Bible
are mankind's fault?
Murders? Did the USA murder the Japanese nation? Or all those who died in WWII?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the walk of
Jesus to its fullest extent
So Jesus sets an example to follow so
difficult that no one has ever done it?
Isn't that a little unrealistic?
Not at all, did I not write about the fact that he makes the Born Again person like himself? That he enables the believer by equipping them to do the work that he did and even more of it?
Did you ignore all that in your rationale? Why?

Why not hold the believers responsible?
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Post by Robert
. And they freely blame God who is not
responsible for the sin that man chose and want to exonerate their
responsibility by holding him responsible.
Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
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2020-10-27 01:51:32 UTC
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If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we resist
him, then he will flee from us. That's a promise. Greater
is He that is within thee, than he that is in the world.
Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any man
shrinks back God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning
that God has given us every gift necessary to operate
according to his word and with his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating under
when living on this earth. The only reason for his death
was Gods plan for a sacrifice that would cover all the sins
of mankind and allow them to come to God. So, that part
aside. We can see the multitudes following after him for
free food, healings from all manners of disease, miracles
like deaf hearing, blind eyes seeing, limbs restored, etc.
etc. and only in the areas that were opposed to him could
he do nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well
from those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his capabilities
by 12 of like minded spiritual men. And then those people
making more disciples of Jesus, to one degree or another,
and the world was changed. So now imagine that there were
currently 100,000 people of like mind was Jesus, who walked
with the same Faith in God as did Jesus. Then would you see
strong Churches and the lives of many would be changed, as
the believers were operating as one with Christ. That is
the real possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and is
putting it off by any means he can, so he appeals to the
fleshly lusts and does his best to detract or derail us
from being the people that we ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men into
error by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis to
Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it understandings
and precepts you would come to another conclusion, even if you
disagreed with God.
Tell us your "understanding" how satan
can do anything without god approving of it.
Your god IS all-powerful, no?
The USA could be considered all powerful, and we have plenty of
attackers, people that create harm, countries that cost us a
considerable amount in pain and finances. Yet we allow those countries
to exist and thrive. Does that mean that we approve of them and
appreciate their contempt of us?
Why is is so important to you to lay blame at the feet of God, and not Satan?
If god is all powerful then he can
rein in Satan anytime he wants to. So why
doesn't he?
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that you
prevent them from learning, gathering strength and being tough
enough to handle real world situations? Making them the
proverbial weaklings in society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all who
believed in him to be as he is. Yet man choses the path that he
walks. It is within the power of man to quench the Holy Spirit to
his own detriment.
Was Jesus an excuse for all the murders
he committed?
Jesus committed no murders.
Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God left man
in charge of this world and promptly made Satan the god of this
world, and only Christ redeemed the man.
All murders god committed in the Bible
are mankind's fault?
Murders? Did the USA murder the Japanese nation? Or all those who died in WWII?
The USA is not an all powerful being
capable of sparing innocent lives.

Why did God kill so many innocent people?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the walk of
Jesus to its fullest extent
So Jesus sets an example to follow so
difficult that no one has ever done it?
Isn't that a little unrealistic?
Not at all, did I not write about the fact that he makes the Born
Again person like himself? That he enables the believer by equipping
them to do the work that he did and even more of it? Did you ignore
all that in your rationale? Why?
Why not hold the believers responsible?
Responsible for what?

God created original sin, he instilled
it in every person alive, and then condemns
everyone to Hell because it - unless they
follow his precise instructions.

Would a "loving" father poison all his
children and then give them the antidote
only if worship him correctly?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
. And they freely blame God who is not
responsible for the sin that man chose and want to exonerate their
responsibility by holding him responsible.
Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.

Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.

Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.

Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.

Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.

Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.

Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.

Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.

2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.

2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.

2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.

2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
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Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
Is the bible literally true?
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Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
Is the bible literally true?
The Christians in these groups seem to think so......
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Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
Is the bible literally true?
The Christians in these groups seem to think so......
Most christians don't.
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Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
Is the bible literally true?
The Christians in these groups seem to think so......
Most christians don't.
A teaching moment.
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If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we resist
him, then he will flee from us. That's a promise. Greater
is He that is within thee, than he that is in the world.
Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any man
shrinks back God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning
that God has given us every gift necessary to operate
according to his word and with his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating under
when living on this earth. The only reason for his death
was Gods plan for a sacrifice that would cover all the sins
of mankind and allow them to come to God. So, that part
aside. We can see the multitudes following after him for
free food, healings from all manners of disease, miracles
like deaf hearing, blind eyes seeing, limbs restored, etc.
etc. and only in the areas that were opposed to him could
he do nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well
from those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his capabilities
by 12 of like minded spiritual men. And then those people
making more disciples of Jesus, to one degree or another,
and the world was changed. So now imagine that there were
currently 100,000 people of like mind was Jesus, who walked
with the same Faith in God as did Jesus. Then would you see
strong Churches and the lives of many would be changed, as
the believers were operating as one with Christ. That is
the real possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and is
putting it off by any means he can, so he appeals to the
fleshly lusts and does his best to detract or derail us
from being the people that we ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men into
error by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis to
Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it understandings
and precepts you would come to another conclusion, even if you
disagreed with God.
Tell us your "understanding" how satan
can do anything without god approving of it.
Your god IS all-powerful, no?
The USA could be considered all powerful, and we have plenty of
attackers, people that create harm, countries that cost us a
considerable amount in pain and finances. Yet we allow those countries
to exist and thrive. Does that mean that we approve of them and
appreciate their contempt of us?
Why is is so important to you to lay blame at the feet of God, and not Satan?
If god is all powerful then he can
rein in Satan anytime he wants to. So why
doesn't he?
I have told you his plan to reign him in.
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Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that you
prevent them from learning, gathering strength and being tough
enough to handle real world situations? Making them the
proverbial weaklings in society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all who
believed in him to be as he is. Yet man choses the path that he
walks. It is within the power of man to quench the Holy Spirit to
his own detriment.
Was Jesus an excuse for all the murders
he committed?
Jesus committed no murders.
Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
You have shown me none.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God left man
in charge of this world and promptly made Satan the god of this
world, and only Christ redeemed the man.
All murders god committed in the Bible
are mankind's fault?
Murders? Did the USA murder the Japanese nation? Or all those who died in WWII?
The USA is not an all powerful being
capable of sparing innocent lives.
Did you understand the question and have problems answering them?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why did God kill so many innocent people?
Again, you have provided no proof.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the walk of
Jesus to its fullest extent
So Jesus sets an example to follow so
difficult that no one has ever done it?
Isn't that a little unrealistic?
Not at all, did I not write about the fact that he makes the Born
Again person like himself? That he enables the believer by equipping
them to do the work that he did and even more of it? Did you ignore
all that in your rationale? Why?
Why not hold the believers responsible?
Responsible for what?
Sorry, If you cannot understand by what I wrote I doubt I will be able to explain it any better.
Post by Mitchell Holman
God created original sin, he instilled
it in every person alive, and then condemns
everyone to Hell because it - unless they
follow his precise instructions.
God did not create original sin. So your following statements are pointless.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Would a "loving" father poison all his
children and then give them the antidote
only if worship him correctly?
WOW, what a stretch.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
. And they freely blame God who is not
responsible for the sin that man chose and want to exonerate their
responsibility by holding him responsible.
Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
So where was their murder, you haven't built a case to support it.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Same questions as above.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Ditto

You have made assumptions without cause, or proof.

Rather than get confused why don't you make your case on at a time?
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-27 13:31:07 UTC
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If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we
resist him, then he will flee from us. That's a
promise. Greater is He that is within thee, than he
that is in the world. Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any
man shrinks back God will take no pleasure in that.
Meaning that God has given us every gift necessary to
operate according to his word and with his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating
under when living on this earth. The only reason for
his death was Gods plan for a sacrifice that would
cover all the sins of mankind and allow them to come to
God. So, that part aside. We can see the multitudes
following after him for free food, healings from all
manners of disease, miracles like deaf hearing, blind
eyes seeing, limbs restored, etc. etc. and only in the
areas that were opposed to him could he do nothing. He
cast out demons, evil spirits as well
from those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his
capabilities by 12 of like minded spiritual men. And
then those people making more disciples of Jesus, to
one degree or another, and the world was changed. So
now imagine that there were currently 100,000 people of
like mind was Jesus, who walked with the same Faith in
God as did Jesus. Then would you see strong Churches
and the lives of many would be changed, as
the believers were operating as one with Christ. That
is the real possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and
is putting it off by any means he can, so he appeals to
the fleshly lusts and does his best to detract or
derail us from being the people that we ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men
into error by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis to
Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it
understandings and precepts you would come to another
conclusion, even if you disagreed with God.
Tell us your "understanding" how satan
can do anything without god approving of it.
Your god IS all-powerful, no?
The USA could be considered all powerful, and we have plenty of
attackers, people that create harm, countries that cost us a
considerable amount in pain and finances. Yet we allow those
countries to exist and thrive. Does that mean that we approve of
them and appreciate their contempt of us?
Why is is so important to you to lay blame at the feet of God, and not Satan?
If god is all powerful then he can
rein in Satan anytime he wants to. So why
doesn't he?
I have told you his plan to reign him in.
Ah, yes, "someday god will fix this".

Like....when?

PS: "reign" applies to the duration
of a monarch's life, not control.
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that
you prevent them from learning, gathering strength and
being tough enough to handle real world situations? Making
them the proverbial weaklings in society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all who
believed in him to be as he is. Yet man choses the path that he
walks. It is within the power of man to quench the Holy Spirit
to his own detriment.
Was Jesus an excuse for all the murders
he committed?
Jesus committed no murders.
Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
You have shown me none.
See below.
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God left
man in charge of this world and promptly made Satan the god of
this world, and only Christ redeemed the man.
All murders god committed in the Bible
are mankind's fault?
Murders? Did the USA murder the Japanese nation? Or all those who died in WWII?
The USA is not an all powerful being
capable of sparing innocent lives.
Did you understand the question and have problems answering them?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why did God kill so many innocent people?
Again, you have provided no proof.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the walk
of Jesus to its fullest extent
So Jesus sets an example to follow so
difficult that no one has ever done it?
Isn't that a little unrealistic?
Not at all, did I not write about the fact that he makes the Born
Again person like himself? That he enables the believer by
equipping them to do the work that he did and even more of it? Did
you ignore all that in your rationale? Why?
Why not hold the believers responsible?
Responsible for what?
Sorry, If you cannot understand by what I wrote I doubt I will be able
to explain it any better.
Post by Mitchell Holman
God created original sin, he instilled
it in every person alive, and then condemns
everyone to Hell because it - unless they
follow his precise instructions.
God did not create original sin. So your following statements are pointless.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Would a "loving" father poison all his
children and then give them the antidote
only if worship him correctly?
WOW, what a stretch.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
. And they freely blame God who is not
responsible for the sin that man chose and want to exonerate
their responsibility by holding him responsible.
Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
So where was their murder, you haven't built a case to support it.
If god didn't kill all human life outside
of Noah's family then what was the point of
Ye Floode?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Same questions as above.
God destroys 2 cities but no one got killed?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Ditto
If God didn't kill her then who did?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Ditto
What crime had the children (and even
the firstborn animals) committed that justified
God killing them?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Ditto
You have made assumptions without cause, or proof.
Rather than get confused why don't you make your case on at a time?
I had assumed you had read your Bible
and knew of these incidents.
Robert
2020-10-27 16:02:06 UTC
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we
resist him, then he will flee from us. That's a
promise. Greater is He that is within thee, than he
that is in the world. Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any
man shrinks back God will take no pleasure in that.
Meaning that God has given us every gift necessary to
operate according to his word and with his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating
under when living on this earth. The only reason for
his death was Gods plan for a sacrifice that would
cover all the sins of mankind and allow them to come to
God. So, that part aside. We can see the multitudes
following after him for free food, healings from all
manners of disease, miracles like deaf hearing, blind
eyes seeing, limbs restored, etc. etc. and only in the
areas that were opposed to him could he do nothing. He
cast out demons, evil spirits as well
from those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his
capabilities by 12 of like minded spiritual men. And
then those people making more disciples of Jesus, to
one degree or another, and the world was changed. So
now imagine that there were currently 100,000 people of
like mind was Jesus, who walked with the same Faith in
God as did Jesus. Then would you see strong Churches
and the lives of many would be changed, as
the believers were operating as one with Christ. That
is the real possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and
is putting it off by any means he can, so he appeals to
the fleshly lusts and does his best to detract or
derail us from being the people that we ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men
into error by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis to
Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it
understandings and precepts you would come to another
conclusion, even if you disagreed with God.
Tell us your "understanding" how satan
can do anything without god approving of it.
Your god IS all-powerful, no?
The USA could be considered all powerful, and we have plenty of
attackers, people that create harm, countries that cost us a
considerable amount in pain and finances. Yet we allow those
countries to exist and thrive. Does that mean that we approve of
them and appreciate their contempt of us?
Why is is so important to you to lay blame at the feet of God, and not Satan?
If god is all powerful then he can
rein in Satan anytime he wants to. So why
doesn't he?
I have told you his plan to reign him in.
Ah, yes, "someday god will fix this".
Like....when?
That was what I described as well, and it is from the Bible.
Post by Mitchell Holman
PS: "reign" applies to the duration
of a monarch's life, not control.
Double entendre'

In reality my spell checker sometimes tries to outguess me when I am typing, it is frustrating at times.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that
you prevent them from learning, gathering strength and
being tough enough to handle real world situations? Making
them the proverbial weaklings in society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all who
believed in him to be as he is. Yet man choses the path that he
walks. It is within the power of man to quench the Holy Spirit
to his own detriment.
Was Jesus an excuse for all the murders
he committed?
Jesus committed no murders.
Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
You have shown me none.
See below.
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God left
man in charge of this world and promptly made Satan the god of
this world, and only Christ redeemed the man.
All murders god committed in the Bible
are mankind's fault?
Murders? Did the USA murder the Japanese nation? Or all those who died in WWII?
The USA is not an all powerful being
capable of sparing innocent lives.
Did you understand the question and have problems answering them?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why did God kill so many innocent people?
Again, you have provided no proof.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the walk
of Jesus to its fullest extent
So Jesus sets an example to follow so
difficult that no one has ever done it?
Isn't that a little unrealistic?
Not at all, did I not write about the fact that he makes the Born
Again person like himself? That he enables the believer by
equipping them to do the work that he did and even more of it? Did
you ignore all that in your rationale? Why?
Why not hold the believers responsible?
Responsible for what?
Sorry, If you cannot understand by what I wrote I doubt I will be able
to explain it any better.
Post by Mitchell Holman
God created original sin, he instilled
it in every person alive, and then condemns
everyone to Hell because it - unless they
follow his precise instructions.
God did not create original sin. So your following statements are pointless.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Would a "loving" father poison all his
children and then give them the antidote
only if worship him correctly?
WOW, what a stretch.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
. And they freely blame God who is not
responsible for the sin that man chose and want to exonerate
their responsibility by holding him responsible.
Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
So where was their murder, you haven't built a case to support it.
If god didn't kill all human life outside
of Noah's family then what was the point of
Ye Floode?
It was a reset. He destroyed all mammal life forms.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Same questions as above.
God destroys 2 cities but no one got killed?
Killed is far different than murdered. And yes I know, the end result is the same.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Ditto
If God didn't kill her then who did?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Ditto
What crime had the children (and even
the firstborn animals) committed that justified
God killing them?
What was the safety net that prevented it from happening?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Ditto
You have made assumptions without cause, or proof.
Rather than get confused why don't you make your case on at a time?
I had assumed you had read your Bible
and knew of these incidents.
I had and have read it many times, but your assessment has not been born out, nor proven, so I asked you to prove your point and justify your accusations.
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-27 17:49:56 UTC
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If
we resist him, then he will flee from us. That's a
promise. Greater is He that is within thee, than he
that is in the world. Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if
any man shrinks back God will take no pleasure in
that. Meaning that God has given us every gift
necessary to operate according to his word and with
his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is
this. It is well known the power that Jesus was
operating under when living on this earth. The only
reason for his death was Gods plan for a sacrifice
that would cover all the sins of mankind and allow
them to come to God. So, that part aside. We can
see the multitudes following after him for free
food, healings from all manners of disease,
miracles like deaf hearing, blind
eyes seeing, limbs restored, etc. etc. and only in
the areas that were opposed to him could he do
nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well
from those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his
capabilities by 12 of like minded spiritual men.
And then those people making more disciples of
Jesus, to one degree or another, and the world was
changed. So now imagine that there were currently
100,000 people of like mind was Jesus, who walked
with the same Faith in God as did Jesus. Then would
you see strong Churches and the lives of many would
be changed, as the believers were operating as one
with Christ. That is the real possibility of all
this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom
and is putting it off by any means he can, so he
appeals to the fleshly lusts and does his best to
detract or derail us from being the people that we
ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading
men into error by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis
to Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it
understandings and precepts you would come to another
conclusion, even if you disagreed with God.
Tell us your "understanding" how satan
can do anything without god approving of it.
Your god IS all-powerful, no?
The USA could be considered all powerful, and we have plenty of
attackers, people that create harm, countries that cost us a
considerable amount in pain and finances. Yet we allow those
countries to exist and thrive. Does that mean that we approve
of them and appreciate their contempt of us?
Why is is so important to you to lay blame at the feet of God, and not Satan?
If god is all powerful then he can
rein in Satan anytime he wants to. So why
doesn't he?
I have told you his plan to reign him in.
Ah, yes, "someday god will fix this".
Like....when?
That was what I described as well, and it is from the Bible.
Post by Mitchell Holman
PS: "reign" applies to the duration
of a monarch's life, not control.
Double entendre'
In reality my spell checker sometimes tries to outguess me when I am
typing, it is frustrating at times.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children
that you prevent them from learning, gathering strength
and being tough enough to handle real world situations?
Making them the proverbial weaklings in society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all
who believed in him to be as he is. Yet man choses the path
that he walks. It is within the power of man to quench the
Holy Spirit to his own detriment.
Was Jesus an excuse for all the murders
he committed?
Jesus committed no murders.
Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
You have shown me none.
See below.
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God
left man in charge of this world and promptly made Satan
the god of this world, and only Christ redeemed the man.
All murders god committed in the Bible
are mankind's fault?
Murders? Did the USA murder the Japanese nation? Or all those
who died in WWII?
The USA is not an all powerful being
capable of sparing innocent lives.
Did you understand the question and have problems answering them?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why did God kill so many innocent people?
Again, you have provided no proof.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the
walk of Jesus to its fullest extent
So Jesus sets an example to follow so
difficult that no one has ever done it?
Isn't that a little unrealistic?
Not at all, did I not write about the fact that he makes the
Born Again person like himself? That he enables the believer by
equipping them to do the work that he did and even more of it?
Did you ignore all that in your rationale? Why?
Why not hold the believers responsible?
Responsible for what?
Sorry, If you cannot understand by what I wrote I doubt I will be
able to explain it any better.
Post by Mitchell Holman
God created original sin, he instilled
it in every person alive, and then condemns
everyone to Hell because it - unless they
follow his precise instructions.
God did not create original sin. So your following statements are pointless.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Would a "loving" father poison all his
children and then give them the antidote
only if worship him correctly?
WOW, what a stretch.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
. And they freely blame God who is not
responsible for the sin that man chose and want to
exonerate their responsibility by holding him responsible.
Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
So where was their murder, you haven't built a case to support it.
If god didn't kill all human life outside
of Noah's family then what was the point of
Ye Floode?
It was a reset. He destroyed all mammal life forms.
Just so. God murdered everyone on earth.
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Same questions as above.
God destroys 2 cities but no one got killed?
Killed is far different than murdered. And yes I know, the end result is the same.
Taking innocent life is murder.
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Ditto
If God didn't kill her then who did?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Ditto
What crime had the children (and even
the firstborn animals) committed that justified
God killing them?
What was the safety net that prevented it from happening?
The toddlers being killed knew nothing
about any safety net. They had done nothing
wrong, why were they killed?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Ditto
You have made assumptions without cause, or proof.
Rather than get confused why don't you make your case on at a time?
I had assumed you had read your Bible
and knew of these incidents.
I had and have read it many times, but your assessment has not been
born out, nor proven, so I asked you to prove your point and justify
your accusations.
What do you call killing innocent
people in peacetime, if not murder?
Robert
2020-10-27 19:30:30 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If
we resist him, then he will flee from us. That's a
promise. Greater is He that is within thee, than he
that is in the world. Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if
any man shrinks back God will take no pleasure in
that. Meaning that God has given us every gift
necessary to operate according to his word and with
his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is
this. It is well known the power that Jesus was
operating under when living on this earth. The only
reason for his death was Gods plan for a sacrifice
that would cover all the sins of mankind and allow
them to come to God. So, that part aside. We can
see the multitudes following after him for free
food, healings from all manners of disease,
miracles like deaf hearing, blind
eyes seeing, limbs restored, etc. etc. and only in
the areas that were opposed to him could he do
nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well
from those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his
capabilities by 12 of like minded spiritual men.
And then those people making more disciples of
Jesus, to one degree or another, and the world was
changed. So now imagine that there were currently
100,000 people of like mind was Jesus, who walked
with the same Faith in God as did Jesus. Then would
you see strong Churches and the lives of many would
be changed, as the believers were operating as one
with Christ. That is the real possibility of all
this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom
and is putting it off by any means he can, so he
appeals to the fleshly lusts and does his best to
detract or derail us from being the people that we
ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading
men into error by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis
to Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it
understandings and precepts you would come to another
conclusion, even if you disagreed with God.
Tell us your "understanding" how satan
can do anything without god approving of it.
Your god IS all-powerful, no?
The USA could be considered all powerful, and we have plenty of
attackers, people that create harm, countries that cost us a
considerable amount in pain and finances. Yet we allow those
countries to exist and thrive. Does that mean that we approve
of them and appreciate their contempt of us?
Why is is so important to you to lay blame at the feet of God,
and not Satan?
If god is all powerful then he can
rein in Satan anytime he wants to. So why
doesn't he?
I have told you his plan to reign him in.
Ah, yes, "someday god will fix this".
Like....when?
That was what I described as well, and it is from the Bible.
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PS: "reign" applies to the duration
of a monarch's life, not control.
Double entendre'
In reality my spell checker sometimes tries to outguess me when I am
typing, it is frustrating at times.
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Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children
that you prevent them from learning, gathering strength
and being tough enough to handle real world situations?
Making them the proverbial weaklings in society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all
who believed in him to be as he is. Yet man choses the path
that he walks. It is within the power of man to quench the
Holy Spirit to his own detriment.
Was Jesus an excuse for all the murders
he committed?
Jesus committed no murders.
Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
You have shown me none.
See below.
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So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God
left man in charge of this world and promptly made Satan
the god of this world, and only Christ redeemed the man.
All murders god committed in the Bible
are mankind's fault?
Murders? Did the USA murder the Japanese nation? Or all those
who died in WWII?
The USA is not an all powerful being
capable of sparing innocent lives.
Did you understand the question and have problems answering them?
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Why did God kill so many innocent people?
Again, you have provided no proof.
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The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the
walk of Jesus to its fullest extent
So Jesus sets an example to follow so
difficult that no one has ever done it?
Isn't that a little unrealistic?
Not at all, did I not write about the fact that he makes the
Born Again person like himself? That he enables the believer by
equipping them to do the work that he did and even more of it?
Did you ignore all that in your rationale? Why?
Why not hold the believers responsible?
Responsible for what?
Sorry, If you cannot understand by what I wrote I doubt I will be
able to explain it any better.
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God created original sin, he instilled
it in every person alive, and then condemns
everyone to Hell because it - unless they
follow his precise instructions.
God did not create original sin. So your following statements are pointless.
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Would a "loving" father poison all his
children and then give them the antidote
only if worship him correctly?
WOW, what a stretch.
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. And they freely blame God who is not
responsible for the sin that man chose and want to
exonerate their responsibility by holding him responsible.
Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
So where was their murder, you haven't built a case to support it.
If god didn't kill all human life outside
of Noah's family then what was the point of
Ye Floode?
It was a reset. He destroyed all mammal life forms.
Just so. God murdered everyone on earth.
How about proving your claim?
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Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Same questions as above.
God destroys 2 cities but no one got killed?
Killed is far different than murdered. And yes I know, the end result is the same.
Taking innocent life is murder.
How about proving your point?
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Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Ditto
If God didn't kill her then who did?
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Ditto
What crime had the children (and even
the firstborn animals) committed that justified
God killing them?
What was the safety net that prevented it from happening?
The toddlers being killed knew nothing
about any safety net. They had done nothing
wrong, why were they killed?
How about answering my question as well as proving your point?
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Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Ditto
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Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Ditto
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Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Ditto
You have made assumptions without cause, or proof.
Rather than get confused why don't you make your case on at a time?
I had assumed you had read your Bible
and knew of these incidents.
I had and have read it many times, but your assessment has not been
born out, nor proven, so I asked you to prove your point and justify
your accusations.
What do you call killing innocent
people in peacetime, if not murder?
No once have you proven or supported you point.

It is easy to accuse and lie about things when one lives in denial, just look at the Dem politics. For todays times.
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2020-10-28 01:51:10 UTC
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Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
So where was their murder, you haven't built a case to support it.
If god didn't kill all human life outside
of Noah's family then what was the point of
Ye Floode?
It was a reset. He destroyed all mammal life forms.
Just so. God murdered everyone on earth.
How about proving your claim?
"Every living thing that moved on land perished—
birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures
that swarm over the earth, and all mankind.
Everything on dry land that had the breath of
life in its nostrils died. Every living thing
on the face of the earth was wiped out; people
and animals and the creatures that move along the
ground and the birds were wiped from the earth."
Genesis 7:21
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Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Same questions as above.
God destroys 2 cities but no one got killed?
Killed is far different than murdered. And yes I know, the end result is the same.
Taking innocent life is murder.
How about proving your point?
verb

to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/murder?s=t
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Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Ditto
If God didn't kill her then who did?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Ditto
What crime had the children (and even
the firstborn animals) committed that justified
God killing them?
What was the safety net that prevented it from happening?
The toddlers being killed knew nothing
about any safety net. They had done nothing
wrong, why were they killed?
How about answering my question as well as proving your point?
Why did god kill the first born children?
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Ditto
You have made assumptions without cause, or proof.
Rather than get confused why don't you make your case on at a time?
I had assumed you had read your Bible
and knew of these incidents.
I had and have read it many times, but your assessment has not been
born out, nor proven, so I asked you to prove your point and
justify your accusations.
What do you call killing innocent
people in peacetime, if not murder?
No once have you proven or supported you point.
It is easy to accuse and lie about things when one lives in denial,
just look at the Dem politics. For todays times.
We are talking about the god of your religion
as laid out in your Bible.
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2020-10-28 04:21:57 UTC
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Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
So where was their murder, you haven't built a case to support it.
If god didn't kill all human life outside
of Noah's family then what was the point of
Ye Floode?
It was a reset. He destroyed all mammal life forms.
Just so. God murdered everyone on earth.
How about proving your claim?
"Every living thing that moved on land perished—
birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures
that swarm over the earth, and all mankind.
Everything on dry land that had the breath of
life in its nostrils died. Every living thing
on the face of the earth was wiped out; people
and animals and the creatures that move along the
ground and the birds were wiped from the earth."
Genesis 7:21
Gen 7:21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

Gen 7:22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

Gen 7:23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

There is no evidence here that shows proof of your accusation. You have not made your case.
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Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Same questions as above.
God destroys 2 cities but no one got killed?
Killed is far different than murdered. And yes I know, the end
result is the same.
Taking innocent life is murder.
How about proving your point?
verb
to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/murder?s=t
Murder
Noun

The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. ‘the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer’

1.1informal A very difficult or unpleasant task or experience.

transitive verb [with object]

1 Kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation. ‘somebody tried to murder Joe’

1.1informal Punish severely or be very angry with.

1.2informal Conclusively defeat (an opponent) in a game or sport.

1.3Spoil by lack of skill or knowledge.

‘the only thing he had murdered was the English language’

From the Oxford Dictionary

A non edited honest definition that adds understanding of the word.
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Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Ditto
If God didn't kill her then who did?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Ditto
What crime had the children (and even
the firstborn animals) committed that justified
God killing them?
What was the safety net that prevented it from happening?
The toddlers being killed knew nothing
about any safety net. They had done nothing
wrong, why were they killed?
How about answering my question as well as proving your point?
Why did god kill the first born children?
Like I said, one step or focus at a time, it is easy to obfuscate with a shotgun approach.
Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Ditto
You have made assumptions without cause, or proof.
Rather than get confused why don't you make your case on at a time?
I had assumed you had read your Bible
and knew of these incidents.
I had and have read it many times, but your assessment has not been
born out, nor proven, so I asked you to prove your point and
justify your accusations.
What do you call killing innocent
people in peacetime, if not murder?
No once have you proven or supported you point.
It is easy to accuse and lie about things when one lives in denial,
just look at the Dem politics. For todays times.
We are talking about the god of your religion
as laid out in your Bible.
What religion?
I am speaking about the God of the Bible, yes, but not of a religion nor of your interpretation of one.
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What religion?
I am speaking about the God of the Bible, yes, but not of a religion nor of
your interpretation of one.
Two billion christians thank you for agreeing you are not in
their number.
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2020-10-28 05:44:18 UTC
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What religion?
I am speaking about the God of the Bible, yes, but not of a religion nor of
your interpretation of one.
Two billion christians thank you for agreeing you are not in
their number.
Is that the best you have to offer?
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2020-10-28 13:58:15 UTC
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What religion?
I am speaking about the God of the Bible, yes, but not of a religion nor of
your interpretation of one.
Two billion christians thank you for agreeing you are not in
their number.
And I am one of them. Robert is bad news.
the dukester, American-American
Lucifer
2020-10-28 05:59:02 UTC
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Gen 7:21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl,
and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth
Gen 7:22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the
face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and
the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and
Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
There is no evidence here that shows proof of your accusation. You have not made your case.
Did the things you quoted from Genesis actually happen?
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2020-10-28 06:34:29 UTC
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Gen 7:21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl,
and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth
Gen 7:22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was
in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the
face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and
the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and
Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
There is no evidence here that shows proof of your accusation. You
have not made your case.
Did the things you quoted from Genesis actually happen?
Yes, of course. But you neglected to post his accusations surrounding it, and that is what we are discussing here.
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2020-10-28 10:38:20 UTC
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Gen 7:21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl,
and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth
Gen 7:22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was
in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the
face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and
the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and
Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
There is no evidence here that shows proof of your accusation. You
have not made your case.
Did the things you quoted from Genesis actually happen?
Yes, of course. But you neglected to post his accusations surrounding
it, and that is what we are discussing here.
Was it necessary for God to destroy all that life and did it achieve
the desired result?
Could God have avoided the mass killings by amending his design?
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2020-10-28 14:07:28 UTC
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Gen 7:21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl,
and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth
Gen 7:22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was
in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the
face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and
the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and
Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
There is no evidence here that shows proof of your accusation. You
have not made your case.
Did the things you quoted from Genesis actually happen?
Yes, of course. But you neglected to post his accusations surrounding
it, and that is what we are discussing here.
Was it necessary for God to destroy all that life and did it achieve
the desired result?
Could God have avoided the mass killings by amending his design?
God didn't kill anybody. It's all about sin.
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-10-28 14:06:28 UTC
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Gen 7:21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl,
and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth
Gen 7:22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was
in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the
face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and
the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and
Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
There is no evidence here that shows proof of your accusation. You
have not made your case.
Did the things you quoted from Genesis actually happen?
Yes, of course. But you neglected to post his accusations surrounding it, and that is what we are discussing here.
Hey, robert. Who was around for the creation of the stars and planets and the
universe - a time billions of years before man.
the dukester, American-American
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-28 13:11:59 UTC
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Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
So where was their murder, you haven't built a case to support it.
If god didn't kill all human life outside
of Noah's family then what was the point of
Ye Floode?
It was a reset. He destroyed all mammal life forms.
Just so. God murdered everyone on earth.
How about proving your claim?
"Every living thing that moved on land perished—
birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures
that swarm over the earth, and all mankind.
Everything on dry land that had the breath of
life in its nostrils died. Every living thing
on the face of the earth was wiped out; people
and animals and the creatures that move along the
ground and the birds were wiped from the earth."
Genesis 7:21
Gen 7:21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl,
and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth
Gen 7:22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was
in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the
face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and
the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and
Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
There is no evidence here that shows proof of your accusation. You have not made your case.
Killing millions of people is not mass murder?
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Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Same questions as above.
God destroys 2 cities but no one got killed?
Killed is far different than murdered. And yes I know, the end
result is the same.
Taking innocent life is murder.
How about proving your point?
verb
to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/murder?s=t
Murder
Noun
The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
‘the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer’
1.1informal A very difficult or unpleasant task or experience.
transitive verb [with object]
1 Kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation. ‘somebody tried
to murder Joe’
1.1informal Punish severely or be very angry with.
1.2informal Conclusively defeat (an opponent) in a game or sport.
1.3Spoil by lack of skill or knowledge.
‘the only thing he had murdered was the English language’
From the Oxford Dictionary
A non edited honest definition that adds understanding of the word.
What part of your defition doesn't
apply to what god did?
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Ditto
If God didn't kill her then who did?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Ditto
What crime had the children (and even
the firstborn animals) committed that justified
God killing them?
What was the safety net that prevented it from happening?
The toddlers being killed knew nothing
about any safety net. They had done nothing
wrong, why were they killed?
How about answering my question as well as proving your point?
Why did god kill the first born children?
Like I said, one step or focus at a time, it is easy to obfuscate with a shotgun approach.
Just answer the question. Why did
god kill the first born children?
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
Ditto
Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Ditto
You have made assumptions without cause, or proof.
Rather than get confused why don't you make your case on at a time?
I had assumed you had read your Bible
and knew of these incidents.
I had and have read it many times, but your assessment has not
been born out, nor proven, so I asked you to prove your point
and justify your accusations.
What do you call killing innocent
people in peacetime, if not murder?
No once have you proven or supported you point.
It is easy to accuse and lie about things when one lives in denial,
just look at the Dem politics. For todays times.
We are talking about the god of your religion
as laid out in your Bible.
What religion?
Your religion.
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I am speaking about the God of the Bible, yes, but not of a religion
nor of your interpretation of one.
All of the above killings were committed
by your "god of the Bible".

If you have passages that say they DIDN'T
happen let's see them.
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Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
So where was their murder, you haven't built a case to
support it.
If god didn't kill all human life outside
of Noah's family then what was the point of
Ye Floode?
It was a reset. He destroyed all mammal life forms.
Just so. God murdered everyone on earth.
How about proving your claim?
"Every living thing that moved on land perished—
birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures
that swarm over the earth, and all mankind.
Everything on dry land that had the breath of
life in its nostrils died. Every living thing
on the face of the earth was wiped out; people
and animals and the creatures that move along the
ground and the birds were wiped from the earth."
Genesis 7:21
Gen 7:21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl,
and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth
Gen 7:22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was
in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the
face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and
the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and
Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
There is no evidence here that shows proof of your accusation. You
have not made your case.
Killing millions of people is not mass murder?
Was it murder to nuke the Japanese?
You really need to review the definition of Murder by both legal and dictionary terms.
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Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Same questions as above.
God destroys 2 cities but no one got killed?
Killed is far different than murdered. And yes I know, the end
result is the same.
Taking innocent life is murder.
How about proving your point?
verb
to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/murder?s=t
Murder
Noun
The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
‘the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer’
1.1informal A very difficult or unpleasant task or experience.
transitive verb [with object]
1 Kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation. ‘somebody tried to murder Joe’
1.1informal Punish severely or be very angry with.
1.2informal Conclusively defeat (an opponent) in a game or sport.
1.3Spoil by lack of skill or knowledge.
‘the only thing he had murdered was the English language’
From the Oxford Dictionary
A non edited honest definition that adds understanding of the word.
What part of your defition doesn't
apply to what god did?
Not my definition.
It is well understood that murder is unlawful and with premeditation.

I know you are far more intelligent that you make it appear here.
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Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Ditto
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Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Ditto
If God didn't kill her then who did?
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Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Ditto
What crime had the children (and even
the firstborn animals) committed that justified
God killing them?
What was the safety net that prevented it from happening?
The toddlers being killed knew nothing
about any safety net. They had done nothing
wrong, why were they killed?
How about answering my question as well as proving your point?
Why did god kill the first born children?
Like I said, one step or focus at a time, it is easy to obfuscate with
a shotgun approach.
Just answer the question. Why did
god kill the first born children?
Because they did not do as he said in order to escape the sentence.
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Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Ditto
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Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Ditto
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Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
Ditto
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2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
Ditto
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2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
Ditto
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2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
Ditto
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2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Ditto
You have made assumptions without cause, or proof.
Rather than get confused why don't you make your case on at
a time?
I had assumed you had read your Bible
and knew of these incidents.
I had and have read it many times, but your assessment has not
been born out, nor proven, so I asked you to prove your point
and justify your accusations.
What do you call killing innocent
people in peacetime, if not murder?
No once have you proven or supported you point.
It is easy to accuse and lie about things when one lives in denial,
just look at the Dem politics. For todays times.
We are talking about the god of your religion
as laid out in your Bible.
What religion?
Your religion.
There is only one religion laid out in the Bible as ordained by God and that is Judaism. And that was specific to the Jews and was a binding contract voted on and accepted by the Jews with God. Feel free to show any other form of religion ordained by God.

Just because you paint things with a broad brush of misunderstanding does not mean they are well thought out or properly understood.
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Post by Robert
I am speaking about the God of the Bible, yes, but not of a religion
nor of your interpretation of one.
All of the above killings were committed
by your "god of the Bible".
If you have passages that say they DIDN'T
happen let's see them.
Are you now changing your tune?

Ted
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If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we resist
him, then he will flee from us. That's a promise.
Greater
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is He that is within thee, than he that is in the
world.
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Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any man
shrinks back God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning
that God has given us every gift necessary to operate
according to his word and with his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating under
when living on this earth. The only reason for his death
was Gods plan for a sacrifice that would cover all the sins
of mankind and allow them to come to God. So, that part
aside. We can see the multitudes following after him for
free food, healings from all manners of disease,
miracles
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like deaf hearing, blind eyes seeing, limbs restored, etc.
etc. and only in the areas that were opposed to him could
he do nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well
from those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his
capabilities
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by 12 of like minded spiritual men. And then those people
making more disciples of Jesus, to one degree or
another,
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and the world was changed. So now imagine that there were
currently 100,000 people of like mind was Jesus, who walked
with the same Faith in God as did Jesus. Then would you see
strong Churches and the lives of many would be
changed, as
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the believers were operating as one with Christ. That is
the real possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom and is
putting it off by any means he can, so he appeals to the
fleshly lusts and does his best to detract or derail us
from being the people that we ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men into
error by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis to
Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it
understandings
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and precepts you would come to another conclusion, even if you
disagreed with God.
Tell us your "understanding" how satan
can do anything without god approving of it.
Your god IS all-powerful, no?
The USA could be considered all powerful, and we have plenty of
attackers, people that create harm, countries that cost us a
considerable amount in pain and finances. Yet we allow those
countries
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to exist and thrive. Does that mean that we approve of them and
appreciate their contempt of us?
Why is is so important to you to lay blame at the feet of God,
and not
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Satan?
If god is all powerful then he can
rein in Satan anytime he wants to. So why
doesn't he?
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Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that you
prevent them from learning, gathering strength and being tough
enough to handle real world situations? Making them the
proverbial weaklings in society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all who
believed in him to be as he is. Yet man choses the path that he
walks. It is within the power of man to quench the Holy Spirit to
his own detriment.
Was Jesus an excuse for all the murders
he committed?
Jesus committed no murders.
Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
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So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God left man
in charge of this world and promptly made Satan the god of this
world, and only Christ redeemed the man.
All murders god committed in the Bible
are mankind's fault?
Murders? Did the USA murder the Japanese nation? Or all those who
died
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in WWII?
The USA is not an all powerful being
capable of sparing innocent lives.
Why did God kill so many innocent people?
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The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the walk of
Jesus to its fullest extent
So Jesus sets an example to follow so
difficult that no one has ever done it?
Isn't that a little unrealistic?
Not at all, did I not write about the fact that he makes the Born
Again person like himself? That he enables the believer by
equipping
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them to do the work that he did and even more of it? Did you
ignore
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all that in your rationale? Why?
Why not hold the believers responsible?
Responsible for what?
God created original sin, he instilled
it in every person alive, and then condemns
everyone to Hell because it - unless they
follow his precise instructions.
Would a "loving" father poison all his
children and then give them the antidote
only if worship him correctly?
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. And they freely blame God who is not
responsible for the sin that man chose and want to exonerate their
responsibility by holding him responsible.
Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Be fair, Mitchell. You forgot to mention that God was kind enough to
spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
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If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we
resist
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
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him, then he will flee from us. That's a promise.
Greater
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
is He that is within thee, than he that is in the
world.
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Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any
man
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Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
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shrinks back God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning
that God has given us every gift necessary to operate
according to his word and with his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating
under
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
when living on this earth. The only reason for his
death
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
was Gods plan for a sacrifice that would cover all the
sins
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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of mankind and allow them to come to God. So, that part
aside. We can see the multitudes following after him
for
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
free food, healings from all manners of disease,
miracles
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
like deaf hearing, blind eyes seeing, limbs restored,
etc.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
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etc. and only in the areas that were opposed to him
could
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Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
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he do nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well
from those he had to authority to do so.
So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his
capabilities
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
by 12 of like minded spiritual men. And then those
people
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
making more disciples of Jesus, to one degree or
another,
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
and the world was changed. So now imagine that there
were
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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currently 100,000 people of like mind was Jesus, who
walked
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with the same Faith in God as did Jesus. Then would
you see
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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strong Churches and the lives of many would be
changed, as
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
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the believers were operating as one with Christ. That
is
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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the real possibility of all this.
However, Satan is fully aware of his impending doom
and is
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
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putting it off by any means he can, so he appeals to
the
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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fleshly lusts and does his best to detract or derail us
from being the people that we ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men
into
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
error by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis to
Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it
understandings
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
and precepts you would come to another conclusion, even if you
disagreed with God.
Tell us your "understanding" how satan
can do anything without god approving of it.
Your god IS all-powerful, no?
The USA could be considered all powerful, and we have plenty of
attackers, people that create harm, countries that cost us a
considerable amount in pain and finances. Yet we allow those
countries
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
to exist and thrive. Does that mean that we approve of them and
appreciate their contempt of us?
Why is is so important to you to lay blame at the feet of God,
and not
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Satan?
If god is all powerful then he can
rein in Satan anytime he wants to. So why
doesn't he?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that
you
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
prevent them from learning, gathering strength and being
tough
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
enough to handle real world situations? Making them the
proverbial weaklings in society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all who
believed in him to be as he is. Yet man choses the path that he
walks. It is within the power of man to quench the Holy Spirit
to
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
his own detriment.
Was Jesus an excuse for all the murders
he committed?
Jesus committed no murders.
Are you denying all the murders God
committed in the Bible?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God
left man
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
in charge of this world and promptly made Satan the god of this
world, and only Christ redeemed the man.
All murders god committed in the Bible
are mankind's fault?
Murders? Did the USA murder the Japanese nation? Or all those who
died
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
in WWII?
The USA is not an all powerful being
capable of sparing innocent lives.
Why did God kill so many innocent people?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the walk
of
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Jesus to its fullest extent
So Jesus sets an example to follow so
difficult that no one has ever done it?
Isn't that a little unrealistic?
Not at all, did I not write about the fact that he makes the Born
Again person like himself? That he enables the believer by
equipping
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
them to do the work that he did and even more of it? Did you
ignore
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
all that in your rationale? Why?
Why not hold the believers responsible?
Responsible for what?
God created original sin, he instilled
it in every person alive, and then condemns
everyone to Hell because it - unless they
follow his precise instructions.
Would a "loving" father poison all his
children and then give them the antidote
only if worship him correctly?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
. And they freely blame God who is not
responsible for the sin that man chose and want to exonerate
their
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
responsibility by holding him responsible.
Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Be fair, Mitchell. You forgot to mention that God was kind enough to
spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
They were the "booty" of war........;)
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If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Probably because that is our job as believers. If we
resist
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
him, then he will flee from us. That's a promise.
Greater
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
is He that is within thee, than he that is in the
world.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Another promissory note.
We, the believer, are to operate by faith, and if any
man
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
shrinks back God will take no pleasure in that. Meaning
that God has given us every gift necessary to
operate
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Post by Ted
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Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
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according to his word and with his power.
Another way of looking at it or describing it is this.
It is well known the power that Jesus was operating
under
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
when living on this earth. The only reason for his
death
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
was Gods plan for a sacrifice that would cover all the
sins
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
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of mankind and allow them to come to God. So, that part
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for
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free food, healings from all manners of disease,
miracles
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like deaf hearing, blind eyes seeing, limbs
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etc. and only in the areas that were opposed to him
could
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he do nothing. He cast out demons, evil spirits as well
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So take Jesus as a sample, then multiply his
capabilities
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by 12 of like minded spiritual men. And then those
people
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making more disciples of Jesus, to one degree or
another,
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and the world was changed. So now imagine that
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currently 100,000 people of like mind was Jesus, who
walked
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with the same Faith in God as did Jesus. Then would
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strong Churches and the lives of many would be
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the believers were operating as one with Christ. That
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the real possibility of all this.
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putting it off by any means he can, so he appeals to
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fleshly lusts and does his best to detract or
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from being the people that we ought to be.
So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
No, you are reading it wrong. Satan is the one leading men
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error by appealing to their lusts.
Either God approves of what Satan is
doing or is powerless to stop him.
Which is it?
Neither, had you read and understood the Bible from Genesis to
Revelations and understood it, and then accepted it
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and precepts you would come to another conclusion, even if you
disagreed with God.
Tell us your "understanding" how satan
can do anything without god approving of it.
Your god IS all-powerful, no?
The USA could be considered all powerful, and we have plenty of
attackers, people that create harm, countries that cost us a
considerable amount in pain and finances. Yet we allow those
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to exist and thrive. Does that mean that we approve of them and
appreciate their contempt of us?
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If god is all powerful then he can
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Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Now that is a sick mind to even consider such a thing.
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that
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enough to handle real world situations? Making them the
proverbial weaklings in society?
If god wants mankind to be virtuous then
he should set an example by being virtuous
himself. But that is not what god does in
the Bible. He has temper tantrums, makes
snaps decisions, kills innocent people all
the time, and demands love and obedience
while showing none himself.
He set an example in Jesus Christ and then empowered all who
believed in him to be as he is. Yet man choses the path that he
walks. It is within the power of man to quench the Holy Spirit
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his own detriment.
Was Jesus an excuse for all the murders
he committed?
Jesus committed no murders.
Are you denying all the murders God
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So the blame lies on the man himself, for his choices. God
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in charge of this world and promptly made Satan the god of this
world, and only Christ redeemed the man.
All murders god committed in the Bible
are mankind's fault?
Murders? Did the USA murder the Japanese nation? Or all those who
died
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in WWII?
The USA is not an all powerful being
capable of sparing innocent lives.
Why did God kill so many innocent people?
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The world has not seen a man or group of men who walk the walk
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Jesus to its fullest extent
So Jesus sets an example to follow so
difficult that no one has ever done it?
Isn't that a little unrealistic?
Not at all, did I not write about the fact that he makes the Born
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all that in your rationale? Why?
Why not hold the believers responsible?
Responsible for what?
God created original sin, he instilled
it in every person alive, and then condemns
everyone to Hell because it - unless they
follow his precise instructions.
Would a "loving" father poison all his
children and then give them the antidote
only if worship him correctly?
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responsibility by holding him responsible.
Is not god responsible for all the
murders HE committed in the OT?
What murders?
Genesis 7:11-24 God kills every living thing on the face
of the earth other than Noah's family.
Genesis 19:24. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Exodus 14:23-30 God drowns entire Egyption army.
Genesis 19:17 God turns Lotts wife into a pillar of salt.
Exodus 12:29 God kills every firstborn child in Egypt.
Numbers 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
Numbers 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
Numbers 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
2 Samuel 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
2 Kings 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes
fifty men.
2 Kings 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
2 Kings 2:23-24 God sends two she-bears to kill 42
children for mocking Elisha's baldness.
Be fair, Mitchell. You forgot to mention that God was kind enough to
spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
They were the "booty" of war........;)
Of course. It's in the Holy Bible.
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He never proved his point.
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Be fair, Mitchell. You forgot to mention that God was kind enough to
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He never proved his point.
He listed several times the god of the OT committed mass murder.
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spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
He never proved his point.
He listed several times the god of the OT committed mass murder.
Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have at it.
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spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
He never proved his point.
He listed several times the god of the OT committed mass murder.
Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have at it.
They're in the Bible, it's an easy lookup. I know you're not that
stupid, Robert.
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spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
He never proved his point.
He listed several times the god of the OT committed mass murder.
Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have
at it.
They're in the Bible, it's an easy lookup. I know you're not that
stupid, Robert.
Then why can't you find one and prove or make your point? It is easy to accuse, easy to use a made up list of purported truths, but to show what you claim to believe? Neither one of you has even attempted to do so at this time.

So allow me to ask you what is the difference between murder and killing?
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He never proved his point.
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Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have
at it.
They're in the Bible, it's an easy lookup. I know you're not that
stupid, Robert.
Then why can't you find one and prove or make your point? It is
easy to accuse, easy to use a made up list of purported truths, but
to show what you claim to believe? Neither one of you has even
attempted to do so at this time.



Have you never read your goddamn Bible?
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So allow me to ask you what is the difference between murder and killing?
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Depends on who you ask and their perspective.
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at it.
They're in the Bible, it's an easy lookup. I know you're not that
stupid, Robert.
Then why can't you find one and prove or make your point? It is
easy to accuse, easy to use a made up list of purported truths, but
to show what you claim to believe? Neither one of you has even
attempted to do so at this time.
Have you never read your goddamn Bible?
I read it every day.
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So allow me to ask you what is the difference between murder and
killing?
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Depends on who you ask and their perspective.
There is a dictionary for such things.

I am truly sorry for your lack of reading comprehension.
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He never proved his point.
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have
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at it.
They're in the Bible, it's an easy lookup. I know you're not that
stupid, Robert.
Then why can't you find one and prove or make your point? It is
easy to accuse, easy to use a made up list of purported truths, but
to show what you claim to believe? Neither one of you has even
attempted to do so at this time.
Have you never read your goddamn Bible?
I read it every day.
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So allow me to ask you what is the difference between murder and
killing?
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Depends on who you ask and their perspective.
There is a dictionary for such things.
I am truly sorry for your lack of reading comprehension.
I appreciate your compassion, Robert, thanks.
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spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
He never proved his point.
He listed several times the god of the OT committed mass murder.
Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have
at it.
They're in the Bible, it's an easy lookup. I know you're not that
stupid, Robert.
Ted, please stay away from this bible bozo Xtian. If you want to know
the truth speak with me.

Thanks in advance.





Michael Christ
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Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"You can't learn righteousess. Haven't you had enough time already to
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He never proved his point.
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Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have
at it.
They're in the Bible, it's an easy lookup. I know you're not that
stupid, Robert.
Ted, please stay away from this bible bozo Xtian. If you want to know
the truth speak with me.
Thanks in advance.
Michael Christ
LOL. Thanks MX.
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He never proved his point.
He listed several times the god of the OT committed mass murder.
Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have at it.
At midnight the Lord struck down all the
firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of
Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the
firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the
dungeon, and the firstborn of all the
livestock as well.
Exodus 12:29
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spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
He never proved his point.
He listed several times the god of the OT committed mass murder.
Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have at it.
At midnight the Lord struck down all the
firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of
Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the
firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the
dungeon, and the firstborn of all the
livestock as well.
Exodus 12:29
Yep, that's the kinda guy he is.
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spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
He never proved his point.
He listed several times the god of the OT committed mass murder.
Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have at it.
At midnight the Lord struck down all the
firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of
Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the
firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the
dungeon, and the firstborn of all the
livestock as well.
Exodus 12:29
Exo 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

According to the definition of Murder by Oxford you have not properly described the actions of God. And if you remembered what I wrote earlier on this subject that God provided a way of escape which you have not taken into account that I can see.
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spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
He never proved his point.
He listed several times the god of the OT committed mass murder.
Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have at it.
At midnight the Lord struck down all the
firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of
Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the
firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the
dungeon, and the firstborn of all the
livestock as well.
Exodus 12:29
Exo 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the
firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat
on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the
dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
According to the definition of Murder by Oxford you have not properly
earlier on this subject that God provided a way of escape which you
have not taken into account that I can see.
Will God go back in time to prevent those things happening?
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spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
He never proved his point.
He listed several times the god of the OT committed mass murder.
Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have at it.
At midnight the Lord struck down all the
firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of
Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the
firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the
dungeon, and the firstborn of all the
livestock as well.
Exodus 12:29
Exo 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the
firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat
on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the
dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
According to the definition of Murder by Oxford you have not properly
earlier on this subject that God provided a way of escape which you
have not taken into account that I can see.
Will God go back in time to prevent those things happening?
Even as a child the whole Exodus thing made
no sense. Why didn't god just snap his fingers
and move the Hebrews to Canaan? Why bother with
the whole plagues of Egypt/40 years in the desert
thing?
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spare 32,000 Midianite virgins.
He never proved his point.
He listed several times the god of the OT committed mass murder.
Then you should have no problems proving just one of them, so have at it.
At midnight the Lord struck down all the
firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of
Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the
firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the
dungeon, and the firstborn of all the
livestock as well.
Exodus 12:29
Exo 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the
firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat
on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the
dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
According to the definition of Murder by Oxford you have not properly
described the actions of God.
What definition is that?
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earlier on this subject that God provided a way of escape which you
have not taken into account that I can see.
What "way of escape" did the children have?
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These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order to
stifle mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for God.
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If he is not carrying out god's will why
does god permit him to persist?
Every super hero needs a nemesis.
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So god WANTS satan to lure mankind into failure.
Precisly.
Satan is the one leading men into error by appealing to the lusts
God put in us.
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Why?
Is that what a "loving" father does with his
chilren - give his children matches and then punish
them if they play with them?
Are you a father who is so protective of his children that you prevent
them from learning by getting themseves killed?
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Franci
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*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling
remarks 'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and
'have right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in
that all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances
on these and similar policies felt this is the current stance
of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a
hot-bed Catholic rebels.
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They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the
RCC will never worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
Because those of the reformation were steeped in RCC doctrine for many
years. So a lot of the problems of that church, as well as the
Orthodox were carried over without going through a total reformation
at the time. Luther was a RC priest, and had not shed many of the RC
dogma's that he learned, while he did correct some of the Key errors
of concern regarding Salvation and how it is received, he was too
focused on that area to recognize all the other errors in his
lifetime.
The reason for many, many, churches to also continue on in those
area's of error is because they did not follow the leading of God's
Spirit, and were basically walking in the flesh, using "head
knowledge" not spiritual.
These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order to stifle
mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for God.
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Robert says...
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Franci
s-acc used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling
remarks 'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and
'have right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the
church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in
that all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances
on these and similar policies felt this is the current stance
of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a
hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the
RCC will never worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
Because those of the reformation were steeped in RCC doctrine for many
years. So a lot of the problems of that church, as well as the
Orthodox were carried over without going through a total reformation
at the time. Luther was a RC priest, and had not shed many of the RC
dogma's that he learned, while he did correct some of the Key errors
of concern regarding Salvation and how it is received, he was too
focused on that area to recognize all the other errors in his
lifetime.
The reason for many, many, churches to also continue on in those
area's of error is because they did not follow the leading of God's
Spirit, and were basically walking in the flesh, using "head
knowledge" not spiritual.
These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order to stifle
mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for God.
The god of this world, one which you serve.
Lucifer
2020-10-26 07:16:10 UTC
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Robert says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not
'correspond to the teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Franci
s-acc used-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of
Magisterial weight' and 'do not correspond to the constant
teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling
remarks 'private opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and
'have right to be a family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private
opinions' that do not represent the teachings of the
church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in
that all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances
on these and similar policies felt this is the current stance
of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in
God...looks like the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist
basket...heh...Argentina!...who would have guessed it'd be a
hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict
authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and
shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the
RCC will never worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
So why are Christians so worked up over
enforcing Leviticus and the 10 Commandments?
Because those of the reformation were steeped in RCC doctrine for many
years. So a lot of the problems of that church, as well as the
Orthodox were carried over without going through a total reformation
at the time. Luther was a RC priest, and had not shed many of the RC
dogma's that he learned, while he did correct some of the Key errors
of concern regarding Salvation and how it is received, he was too
focused on that area to recognize all the other errors in his
lifetime.
The reason for many, many, churches to also continue on in those
area's of error is because they did not follow the leading of God's
Spirit, and were basically walking in the flesh, using "head
knowledge" not spiritual.
These errors were also reinforced by the evil one in order to stifle
mans communication with God.
"The evil one"?
Yes, another name for God.
The god of this world, one which you serve.
Isaiah 45:7.
Robert
2020-10-24 22:59:10 UTC
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says...
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
*American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same sex unions
*Cardinal Burke said Francis's remarks are 'devoid of Magisterial weight' and
'do not correspond to the constant teaching of the Church'
*Cardinal O'Malley and Bishop Tobin also spoke, calling remarks 'private
opinions'
*Francis called same-sex couples 'children of God' and 'have right to be a
family'
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same-sex
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not represent the
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all the
Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and similar policies
felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him into office.
The next thing they'll do is easy the requirement for belief in God...looks like
the Vatican is headed for Hell in an atheist basket...heh...Argentina!...who
would have guessed it'd be a hot-bed Catholic rebels.
*
They might ease their requirements, but they will maintain strict authority in the matter and control.
They might drop the prices for their salvation for sale, and shorten the time for puragtory or give mass absolution, but the RCC will never worship God the way it is.
They have already discredited 1/3 or more of the Bible.
Make that half.
Christians are not subject to the Old Covenant made between God and
the Jews.
It is too bad that you haven't read the Bible and don't know what it says or teaches.

The Law was given out and discussed as the Law only in the first five books of the Bible as a focus point.

All the Bible was given by God, and even Jesus mentioned that the Mosaic law was not to be discredited, nor even one dot taken away from it. Jesus was also speaking in full accordance with the Prophecies given by Prophets in the OT.

While your statement shows extreme weakness in understandings if does reflect that some of what Christ teaches is finally sinking in.
Barker+P
2020-10-24 12:10:09 UTC
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Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same-sex
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not represent the
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him into office.
You are an idiot.
Fags are people too.
They are also children of God.
All are welcome to join.
As long as they understand what sin is.
The Sacrament of Matrimony is only between one man and one woman.
Always will be.
The poor fags of the world felt left out.
Legislatures have been forced to consider that fags have feelings
also. This was caused by the judicial system determining that all
persons should be treated equal under the law.
Fags want the perks of married people under the law.
Therefore, a civil union gives them equal status.
That doesn't mean the church does.
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LIKE PAT, he has been afraid to criticize the stance of the RCC in matter sexual. Know you either accept it and become one of them, or you turn to the Lord, the real leader of the Churches.
What does Jesus say about civil unions?
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-24 13:09:53 UTC
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Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing
same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not
represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all
the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and
similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church and
voted him into office.
You are an idiot.
Fags are people too.
They are also children of God.
All are welcome to join.
As long as they understand what sin is.
The Sacrament of Matrimony is only between one man and one woman.
Who cares what the RCC "sacrament" is?
Post by Barker+P
Always will be.
The poor fags of the world felt left out.
Legislatures have been forced to consider that fags have feelings
also. This was caused by the judicial system determining that all
persons should be treated equal under the law.
And you think otherwise?
Post by Barker+P
Fags want the perks of married people under the law.
Therefore, a civil union gives them equal status.
That doesn't mean the church does.
No one cases what your shrinking church says.
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
LIKE PAT, he has been afraid to criticize the stance of the RCC in
matter sexual. Know you either accept it and become one of them, or
you turn to the Lord, the real leader of the Churches.
What does Jesus say about civil unions?
What did Jesus say about banning gay marriage?
Ted
2020-10-24 14:26:04 UTC
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Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not
represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all
the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and
similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church and
voted him into office.
You are an idiot.
Fags are people too.
They are also children of God.
All are welcome to join.
As long as they understand what sin is.
The Sacrament of Matrimony is only between one man and one woman.
Who cares what the RCC "sacrament" is?
Post by Barker+P
Always will be.
The poor fags of the world felt left out.
Legislatures have been forced to consider that fags have feelings
also. This was caused by the judicial system determining that all
persons should be treated equal under the law.
And you think otherwise?
Post by Barker+P
Fags want the perks of married people under the law.
Therefore, a civil union gives them equal status.
That doesn't mean the church does.
No one cases what your shrinking church says.
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
LIKE PAT, he has been afraid to criticize the stance of the RCC in
matter sexual. Know you either accept it and become one of them, or
you turn to the Lord, the real leader of the Churches.
What does Jesus say about civil unions?
What did Jesus say about banning gay marriage?
Jesus himself was gay, the gospels make it clear. But he would have
been opposed to gay marriage because he followed the Jewish law.
Barker+P
2020-10-24 14:56:56 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing
same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not
represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all
the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and
similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church and
voted him into office.
You are an idiot.
Fags are people too.
They are also children of God.
All are welcome to join.
As long as they understand what sin is.
The Sacrament of Matrimony is only between one man and one woman.
Who cares what the RCC "sacrament" is?
Ohhh. About a Billion Catholics.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Always will be.
The poor fags of the world felt left out.
Legislatures have been forced to consider that fags have feelings
also. This was caused by the judicial system determining that all
persons should be treated equal under the law.
And you think otherwise?
Under certain circumstances.
We shouldn't be forced to set up maternity wards for men.
We shouldn't force women to use urinals.
Let us be real here.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Fags want the perks of married people under the law.
Therefore, a civil union gives them equal status.
That doesn't mean the church does.
No one cases what your shrinking church says.
Then stop asking.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
LIKE PAT, he has been afraid to criticize the stance of the RCC in
matter sexual. Know you either accept it and become one of them, or
you turn to the Lord, the real leader of the Churches.
What does Jesus say about civil unions?
What did Jesus say about banning gay marriage?
gays didn't want to get married during Jesus time.
This is a recent whine in order to be considered a "victim" in today's
society. I understand it is all the rage nowadays.
Ted
2020-10-24 15:47:10 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
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Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for
endorsing
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not
represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all
the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and
similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church and
voted him into office.
You are an idiot.
Fags are people too.
They are also children of God.
All are welcome to join.
As long as they understand what sin is.
The Sacrament of Matrimony is only between one man and one woman.
Who cares what the RCC "sacrament" is?
Ohhh. About a Billion Catholics.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Always will be.
The poor fags of the world felt left out.
Legislatures have been forced to consider that fags have feelings
also. This was caused by the judicial system determining that all
persons should be treated equal under the law.
And you think otherwise?
Under certain circumstances.
We shouldn't be forced to set up maternity wards for men.
We shouldn't force women to use urinals.
Let us be real here.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Fags want the perks of married people under the law.
Therefore, a civil union gives them equal status.
That doesn't mean the church does.
No one cases what your shrinking church says.
Then stop asking.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
LIKE PAT, he has been afraid to criticize the stance of the RCC in
matter sexual. Know you either accept it and become one of them, or
you turn to the Lord, the real leader of the Churches.
What does Jesus say about civil unions?
What did Jesus say about banning gay marriage?
gays didn't want to get married during Jesus time.
This is a recent whine in order to be considered a "victim" in
today's
Post by Ted
society. I understand it is all the rage nowadays.
There's a lot of truth in that.
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-24 18:10:40 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:09:53 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing
same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not
represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all
the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and
similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church and
voted him into office.
You are an idiot.
Fags are people too.
They are also children of God.
All are welcome to join.
As long as they understand what sin is.
The Sacrament of Matrimony is only between one man and one woman.
Who cares what the RCC "sacrament" is?
Ohhh. About a Billion Catholics.
In steadily shrinking numbers.
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Always will be.
The poor fags of the world felt left out.
Legislatures have been forced to consider that fags have feelings
also. This was caused by the judicial system determining that all
persons should be treated equal under the law.
And you think otherwise?
Under certain circumstances.
We shouldn't be forced to set up maternity wards for men.
Who is "we"?
Post by Ted
We shouldn't force women to use urinals.
Women are *already" using urinals,
and more so are discovering how faster
things happen with them.
Post by Ted
Let us be real here.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Fags want the perks of married people under the law.
Therefore, a civil union gives them equal status.
That doesn't mean the church does.
No one cases what your shrinking church says.
Then stop asking.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
LIKE PAT, he has been afraid to criticize the stance of the RCC in
matter sexual. Know you either accept it and become one of them, or
you turn to the Lord, the real leader of the Churches.
What does Jesus say about civil unions?
What did Jesus say about banning gay marriage?
gays didn't want to get married during Jesus time.
And your proof of that is......?
Post by Ted
This is a recent whine in order to be considered a "victim" in today's
society.
"How are the mighty fallen in the midst of
the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in
thine high places. I am distressed for thee,
my brother Jonathan; very pleasant hast thou
been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful,
passing the love of women" (2 Samuel 1:25-26).
Barker+P
2020-10-24 23:28:36 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:09:53 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing
same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not
represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all
the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and
similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church and
voted him into office.
You are an idiot.
Fags are people too.
They are also children of God.
All are welcome to join.
As long as they understand what sin is.
The Sacrament of Matrimony is only between one man and one woman.
Who cares what the RCC "sacrament" is?
Ohhh. About a Billion Catholics.
In steadily shrinking numbers.
A Billion is a lot.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Ted
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Always will be.
The poor fags of the world felt left out.
Legislatures have been forced to consider that fags have feelings
also. This was caused by the judicial system determining that all
persons should be treated equal under the law.
And you think otherwise?
Under certain circumstances.
We shouldn't be forced to set up maternity wards for men.
Who is "we"?
Post by Ted
We shouldn't force women to use urinals.
Women are *already" using urinals,
and more so are discovering how faster
things happen with them.
Post by Ted
Let us be real here.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Fags want the perks of married people under the law.
Therefore, a civil union gives them equal status.
That doesn't mean the church does.
No one cases what your shrinking church says.
Then stop asking.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
LIKE PAT, he has been afraid to criticize the stance of the RCC in
matter sexual. Know you either accept it and become one of them, or
you turn to the Lord, the real leader of the Churches.
What does Jesus say about civil unions?
What did Jesus say about banning gay marriage?
gays didn't want to get married during Jesus time.
And your proof of that is......?
Post by Ted
This is a recent whine in order to be considered a "victim" in today's
society.
"How are the mighty fallen in the midst of
the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in
thine high places. I am distressed for thee,
my brother Jonathan; very pleasant hast thou
been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful,
passing the love of women" (2 Samuel 1:25-26).
Did jonny marry the guy?
Or just butt-fuck him.
Tell us.
You sound like an expert.
Robert
2020-10-24 23:39:28 UTC
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"How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan; very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women" (2 Samuel 1:25-26).
Sadly that verse exalts women who by and large are the reasons for so many divorces.
Brothers in bond are far more reliable and deeper that those of most marriages.

This is a good reason why men in wars develop a bond far deeper that that of a marriage because they know when the chips are down each will sacrifice their life for the other IOW's will die trying.

Yeah, there are a lot of men who are untrustworthy as well, but we can spot them in a minute as we are not overtaken by their figure or looks like selfishly are with women.

Which is why the song, If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, make an uglee woman your wife. Since you are rather obviously seeking a good partner in life. (Although I have found that ugly women for some strange reason can be as vain as a beautiful woman. And no I am not married to an ugly woman. ) I have often wondered what an ugly woman sees in herself that makes her vain.
d***@cox.net
2020-10-24 18:19:49 UTC
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Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing
same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not
represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all
the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and
similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church and
voted him into office.
You are an idiot.
Fags are people too.
They are also children of God.
All are welcome to join.
As long as they understand what sin is.
The Sacrament of Matrimony is only between one man and one woman.
Who cares what the RCC "sacrament" is?
Ours comes from God.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Always will be.
The poor fags of the world felt left out.
Legislatures have been forced to consider that fags have feelings
also. This was caused by the judicial system determining that all
persons should be treated equal under the law.
And you think otherwise?
God alone will be the determination.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Fags want the perks of married people under the law.
Therefore, a civil union gives them equal status.
That doesn't mean the church does.
Sorry, the right statement is that "God doesn't".
Post by Mitchell Holman
No one cases what your shrinking church says.
It's not shrinking.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
LIKE PAT, he has been afraid to criticize the stance of the RCC in
matter sexual. Know you either accept it and become one of them, or
you turn to the Lord, the real leader of the Churches.
What does Jesus say about civil unions?
What did Jesus say about banning gay marriage?
The Pope explained that.
the dukester, American-American
Mitchell Holman
2020-10-25 01:42:18 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:09:53 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing
same-sex unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do
not represent the teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all
the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and
similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church and
voted him into office.
You are an idiot.
Fags are people too.
They are also children of God.
All are welcome to join.
As long as they understand what sin is.
The Sacrament of Matrimony is only between one man and one woman.
Who cares what the RCC "sacrament" is?
Ours comes from God.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Always will be.
The poor fags of the world felt left out.
Legislatures have been forced to consider that fags have feelings
also. This was caused by the judicial system determining that all
persons should be treated equal under the law.
And you think otherwise?
God alone will be the determination.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Barker+P
Fags want the perks of married people under the law.
Therefore, a civil union gives them equal status.
That doesn't mean the church does.
Sorry, the right statement is that "God doesn't".
Post by Mitchell Holman
No one cases what your shrinking church says.
It's not shrinking.
Catholics' Church Attendance Resumes Downward Slide
APRIL 9, 2018

From 2014 to 2017, an average of 39% of Catholics
reported attending church in the past seven days.
This is down from an average of 45% from 2005 to
2008 and represents a steep decline from 75% in
1955.
http://tinyurl.com/yarasec6





Catholic Church faces ominous decline
Aug 25 2018

The Catholic Church's sex scandal is
crushing one of the world's most powerful
institutions. The numbers are brutal and
speak to rapid, spreading decline: In the
U.S., 6,721 priests were reported to U.S.
bishops between 1950 and 2016, and 18,565
victims have come forward, according to
Bishop Accountability, an advocacy group.

The bigger picture: Pope Francis arrives
today in Ireland, a country whose once-
unquestioned Catholic identity is now
fading - a long-term trend in much of the
West, which abuse scandals threaten to
accelerate. The Church's image among people
under 30 has never been worse, meaning the
next generation of priests - and parishioners -
simply may not be there.

A Pew survey found that, as of 2015, while
32% of Americans were raised Catholic, just
21% remained so. That drop off is more than
twice the rate at which Americans left
Protestantism. Church attendance also fell
sharply. Fewer young people consider themselves
Catholic, according to Pew, which found that
the median age for U.S. Catholics is 49,
compared to 40 for members of other religions
and 36 for America as a whole.

https://www.axios.com/catholic-church-faces-ominous-decline-5cc11529-
860d-470d-a2e2-5fe12b89ad81.html
Robert
2020-10-24 23:26:25 UTC
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Senior American bishops have hit out at Pope Francis for endorsing same-sex
unions, calling the remarks 'private opinions' that do not represent the
teachings of the church.
Yet they do reflect the position of the current day RCC in that all the Cardinals, who knew his past and current stances on these and similar policies felt this is the current stance of the church and voted him into office.
You are an idiot.
Fags are people too.
They are also children of God.
They are children of the evil one. Just the same as any person that is not Born Again.

Joh 8:43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Joh 8:45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.

Joh 8:46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?

Joh 8:47 He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

So here anyone can see what Christ says about the people who do not follow Him and follow their own doctrines, or that of any church whose doctrines are not in alignment with the Word of God.

"We all are the children of God", is in error, per Jesus.
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All are welcome to join.
As long as they understand what sin is.
The Sacrament of Matrimony is only between one man and one woman.
Always will be.
Per the RCC who issues the sacraments under a guise, and so they will be in the catbirds seat of control.
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The poor fags of the world felt left out.
Legislatures have been forced to consider that fags have feelings
also. This was caused by the judicial system determining that all
persons should be treated equal under the law.
Fags want the perks of married people under the law.
Therefore, a civil union gives them equal status.
That doesn't mean the church does.
You are required to follow civil codes as God establishes the rulers, unless they break his code.
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LIKE PAT, he has been afraid to criticize the stance of the RCC in matter sexual. Know you either accept it and become one of them, or you turn to the Lord, the real leader of the Churches.
What does Jesus say about civil unions?
Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's.
Barker+P
2020-10-24 12:03:27 UTC
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
What are the official teachings of the church?
Doesn't the church teach that all people are "children of God?"
Ted
2020-10-24 14:30:14 UTC
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-
sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
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What are the official teachings of the church?
Doesn't the church teach that all people are "children of God?"
Jesus said that liars are children of the devil.
Barker+P
2020-10-24 14:58:14 UTC
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond
to the
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teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-
sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
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What are the official teachings of the church?
Doesn't the church teach that all people are "children of God?"
Jesus said that liars are children of the devil.
Well, I guess matty has to fit in somewhere.
Ted
2020-10-24 15:44:05 UTC
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'correspond
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teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused
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sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
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What are the official teachings of the church?
Doesn't the church teach that all people are "children of God?"
Jesus said that liars are children of the devil.
Well, I guess matty has to fit in somewhere.
LOL.
Robert
2020-10-24 23:40:18 UTC
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
What are the official teachings of the church?
Doesn't the church teach that all people are "children of God?"
Yours does, erroneously.
Robert
2020-10-25 01:25:24 UTC
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...and says the pontiff's 'private opinion' does not 'correspond to the
teachings of the Church'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871977/Pope-Francis-accused-sowing-confusion-sex-union-message.html
What are the official teachings of the church?
Doesn't the church teach that all people are "children of God?"
Yes, the evil church that disputes God
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