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The famous fictional detective Sherlock Holmes has been denounced as a racist...
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Miloch
2020-07-06 22:11:42 UTC
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Now Sherlock Holmes denounced as racist... so will his statue be next to be
toppled?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1305872/sherlock-holmes-racism-arthur-conan-doyle-black-lives-matter-edinburgh-scotland-latest

Literary experts say Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote “crass racist descriptions” in
his novels about Sherlock Holmes. Arthur Conan Doyle, who created Sherlock
Holmes, was born in Picardy Place in 1859 with a statue being erected by the
Federation of Master Builders to mark its 50th anniversary in 1991.

Arthur Conan Doyle, who created Sherlock Holmes, was born in Picardy Place in
1859 with a statue being erected by the Federation of Master Builders to mark
its 50th anniversary in 1991.

The statue is located at Leith Walk in Edinburgh, opposite the house where Conan
Doyle was born.

In one of Doyle’s novels, The Adventure of the Three Gables, one of 56 Sherlock
Holmes short stories published in 1926, he writes about a moment in which Holmes
stares at the “hideous mouth” of a “huge negro” and tells the “savage”: “I don’t
like the smell of you.”

Meanwhile, in The Sign of the Four, the second novel featuring Sherlock Holmes
published in 1890, Doyle describes the aborigines of the Andaman Islands off the
coast of India as “naturally hideous, having large, misshapen heads”.

Dr Merrick Burrow, lead professor of English at the University of Huddersfield
told The Times of Scotland: “Especially in the early Sherlock Holmes stories,
there are crass racist descriptions.

“There is no question that the language used to describe people of various
ethnicities is inflammatory, offensive and insensitive by any contemporary
standards.

“The stories are almost all narrated by Dr Watson and there is a racist
framework of descriptions of immigrants in negative terms.”

Dr Burrow claimed the author should be judged by Victorian standards stressing
that Doyle’s “crass characterisations were fairly typical of his time”.

She added: “There is a massive difference between someone who was a slave trader
or waged military campaigns and someone who wrote books.”

Jonathan McCafferty, president of the Sherlock Holmes Society of London,
admitted there was “lamentable instances of language” in the novels.

However, he stressed the author campaigned for years to secure a pardon for an
ethnic minority solicitor convicted of maiming a pony.

Doyle claimed the solicitor, known as George Edalji suffered a miscarriage of
justice because of police officers who were being racist.

It comes in the wake of Black Lives Matter protests have taken place around the
world following the death of George Floyd in the United States.

The movement has sparked a debate over people with links to the slave trade and
how memorials should be reviewed in the future.

Statues of Edward Colston in Bristol and Christopher Columbus in the US are
among those to have been taken down.

It also comes shortly after First Minister of Wales Mark Drakeford said he would
review all statues, street and building names in the country to address the
country's connections with the slave trade.

Speaking today, he said the review was "not about rewriting the past" but
"reflecting it with the justice it deserves".




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Byker
2020-07-06 22:48:19 UTC
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Post by Miloch
Now Sherlock Holmes denounced as racist... so will his statue be next to
be toppled?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1305872/sherlock-holmes-racism-arthur-conan-doyle-black-lives-matter-edinburgh-scotland-latest
I don't think Scotland Yard would appreciate that...
Phantom_View
2020-07-07 03:10:24 UTC
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Post by Miloch
Now Sherlock Holmes denounced as racist... so will his statue be next to
be toppled?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1305872/sherlock-holmes-racism-arthur-conan-doyle-black-lives-matter-edinburgh-scotland-latest
I don't think Scotland Yard would appreciate that...
Just wait for the book burnings .......
Hello Kiitty
2020-07-07 05:47:56 UTC
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Post by Miloch
Now Sherlock Holmes denounced as racist... so will his statue be next to
be toppled?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1305872/sherlock-holmes-racism-arthur-conan-doyle-black-lives-matter-edinburgh-scotland-latest
I don't think Scotland Yard would appreciate that...
Just wait for the book burnings .......
Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, Western Civ Has Got to Go
Phantom_View
2020-07-07 14:55:16 UTC
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To be replaced with WHAT exactly ? Sino-totalitarianism ?
Fundamentalist Islamic theocracy ? M-13 gangland rule ?
A new Kadaffi ? Stalinism ? Mad Max ? Sorry, but the catalogue
is rather short these days. You bring down the Land Of The Free
and in the mess you will NOT get anything "good". Without our
support, the few kind-of-good countries will slide down the
trash chute as well.

I suspect the Young Communists believe they will somehow
become an "elite" in a neo-Stalinist USA. They won't. They
will live an enslaved shit of a life too. Stalin's people did not
give a shit about "communism", it was just an excuse for
totalitarian rule.They exterminated the "real communists"
like Trotsky as fast as they could. Power, not ideological
nonsense, rules the day.

It would be the same here, as it is elsewhere. Protest ?
Remember Tianamen Square ..... but this time with
nobody willing to complain ..........

There is your "post western" picture.
Malcolm McMahon
2020-07-07 10:53:49 UTC
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Post by Miloch
Now Sherlock Holmes denounced as racist... so will his statue be next to be
toppled?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1305872/sherlock-holmes-racism-arthur-conan-doyle-black-lives-matter-edinburgh-scotland-latest
Literary experts say Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote “crass racist descriptions” in
his novels about Sherlock Holmes. Arthur Conan Doyle, who created Sherlock
Holmes, was born in Picardy Place in 1859 with a statue being erected by the
Federation of Master Builders to mark its 50th anniversary in 1991.
Oh yes, his stereotyping of foreigner's in general, and "swarthy" foreigners in
particular is embarassing by today's standards, but completely normal for his
time. You should try reading H.P. Lovecraft!

But it's not particularly a colour thing. Spanish women are guaranteed to be
volatile and vengeful, for example. It's more that the more foreign a character
is, the more likely to be the bad guy. It's just good-old English
exceptionalism. Foreigners are either villanous or hapless in Holme's world.

We don't need to stop reading this stuff. If anything it helps remind us of how
far things have changed.
Dexter
2020-07-08 00:13:05 UTC
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Post by Miloch
Now Sherlock Holmes denounced as racist... so will his statue
be next to be toppled?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1305872/sherlock-holmes-racism-arthur-conan-doyle-black-lives-matter-edinburgh-scotland-latest
Post by Miloch
Literary experts say Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote “crass
racist descriptions” in his novels about Sherlock Holmes.
Arthur Conan Doyle, who created Sherlock Holmes, was born in
Picardy Place in 1859 with a statue being erected by the
Federation of Master Builders to mark its 50th anniversary in
1991.
Arthur Conan Doyle, who created Sherlock Holmes, was born in
Picardy Place in 1859 with a statue being erected by the
Federation of Master Builders to mark its 50th anniversary in
1991.
The statue is located at Leith Walk in Edinburgh, opposite the
house where Conan Doyle was born.
In one of Doyle’s novels, The Adventure of the Three Gables,
one of 56 Sherlock Holmes short stories published in 1926, he
writes about a moment in which Holmes stares at the “hideous
mouth” of a “huge negro” and tells the “savage”: “I don’t like
the smell of you.”
Meanwhile, in The Sign of the Four, the second novel featuring
Sherlock Holmes published in 1890, Doyle describes the
aborigines of the Andaman Islands off the coast of India as
“naturally hideous, having large, misshapen heads”.
Dr Merrick Burrow, lead professor of English at the University
of Huddersfield told The Times of Scotland: “Especially in the
early Sherlock Holmes stories, there are crass racist
descriptions.
“There is no question that the language used to describe
people of various ethnicities is inflammatory, offensive and
insensitive by any contemporary standards.
“The stories are almost all narrated by Dr Watson and there is
a racist framework of descriptions of immigrants in negative
terms.”
Dr Burrow claimed the author should be judged by Victorian
standards stressing that Doyle’s “crass characterisations were
fairly typical of his time”.
She added: “There is a massive difference between someone who
was a slave trader or waged military campaigns and someone who
wrote books.”
Jonathan McCafferty, president of the Sherlock Holmes Society
of London, admitted there was “lamentable instances of
language” in the novels.
However, he stressed the author campaigned for years to secure
a pardon for an ethnic minority solicitor convicted of maiming
a pony.
Doyle claimed the solicitor, known as George Edalji suffered a
miscarriage of justice because of police officers who were
being racist.
It comes in the wake of Black Lives Matter protests have taken
place around the world following the death of George Floyd in
the United States.
The movement has sparked a debate over people with links to
the slave trade and how memorials should be reviewed in the
future.
Statues of Edward Colston in Bristol and Christopher Columbus
in the US are among those to have been taken down.
It also comes shortly after First Minister of Wales Mark
Drakeford said he would review all statues, street and
building names in the country to address the country's
connections with the slave trade.
Speaking today, he said the review was "not about rewriting
the past" but "reflecting it with the justice it deserves".
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Time to dig out my collection and reread them.

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